2002 Citroen Saxo VTR from UK and Ireland - Comments

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steven@carsurvey.org

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Steven Jackson, CSDO Media Limited.

"Power to weight ratio figures on paper don't mean anything in real life if they're false. 0-80mph no difference whatsoever, ST will be quicker above 90mph when the power really kicks in. Like I said, I'll meet up and race any stock Clio 172, and prove from 10-65mph I will still be in front."

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How are the power to weight ratio's false? Surely you aren't going to argue Citroen got the power figures wrong even though you already claimed to have rolling roaded your car at 100bhp?

If a car's power only made a difference at high speeds and acceleration upto 80/90mph was decided almost purely by weight, then cars like BMW M-series' would only be quick over that speed.

Your argument fell flat on its face after about the second comment, so why is this still going on? Also where did 0-60 in 8.6 seconds come from, LOL? All these pages of argument and out of nowhere you give that precise figure...

OH, so Bugatti are wrong as well now then? You are fighting a lost cause with this argument, next thing you will be saying your VTR is faster than a Veyron.

Well if the Fiesta ST on PAPER has got this great power to weight ratio, why was I level with it from 0-80mph?? What it says on PAPER doesn't reflect what will happen in real life, and same with the Clio 182 I raced, but I could only last up to 65mph with that, and he later said he was surprised how quick my VTR was. That was a normal person, not a stereotype anti Saxo who calls them because they're prejudiced against the young people.

I've commented much earlier in this thread. And I have something else to add, regarding the Veyron & F1 Argument.

And I quote, from top gear magazine "The heat also means that the four bucket sized Mitsubishi turbos on the Veyron won't work as effectively when the action starts. Cooler air is denser and when it's rammed into an engine by the turbos, more power is the result. Today, even the Veyrons super-efficient twin air-to-liquid intercoolers will struggle to cope. And that will - in theory - level things out a bit more, give the normally aspirated F1 a fighting chance"

I have a video of me doing 0-60 8.6 on youtube, very easy to do in a newer VTR. Also the VTR's top speed isn't true, I had 132mph out of her on a long straight much more than 120mph, it was a real 132mph, I had my friend on his motorbike next to me doing 132mph, just to prove I was doing a REAL 132mph.

The Veyron is capable of 0-60 in 2.5 seconds and 0-100 in 5.5, the F1 isn't, end of story. If you wanna see how a Veyron should be launched search for "Veyron vs Nissan GTR" on youtube, although the Nissan isn't as fast as a Mc F1, it does show a much better launch than in the Veyron vs Mc F1.

"The Veyron is capable of 0-60 in 2.5 seconds and 0-100 in 5.5, the F1 isn't, end of story. If you wanna see how a Veyron should be launched search for "Veyron vs Nissan GTR" on youtube, although the Nissan isn't as fast as a Mc F1, it does show a much better launch than in the Veyron vs Mc F1."

Nissan GTR isn't a McLaren G1 is it? The Bugatti launch will look faster. In the Bugatti vs Mclaren race, the Veyron launched at its best, but the F1 is a very fast car from a dig because it's so light. There are no excuses, Bugatti times are not 100% accurate, and I never believed them in the 1st place. A car with all that weight doing 0-60 in 2.5 doesn't sound believable, even with 1000bhp. The 0-100mph 5.5 don't sound right either; why are new bikes doing 1/4mile at 9.8@148mph compared to a Veyron 10.7@143mph. If a Bugatti did the same 0-100mph as most bikes, it would be quicker in the 1/4mile cause at 100mph most high powered supercars are level with bike acceleration, and with the Veyron pull be quicker, the Veyron is so hyped up to sound so superior to the Mclaren, but upto 120mph it is not the case.

The Veyron IS faster than most superbikes, and you are missing the point, just look at the Veyron at launch compared to the launch on the other clip, Hammond didn't do a good job, he didn't build the revs up at all.

Every 2004+ 1000cc bike will beat a Veyron in the 1/4 mile and up to 150mph, but what I was saying was if a Hayabusa and Veyron do 0-100mph in 5.5 seconds right, the Veyron should do quicker 1/4 mile times then the busa, BUT the busa does the 1/4 mile quicker @ 9.8@147mph compared to the Veyron 10.7@143mph, so the Veyron's paper figure 0-100mph 5.5 is incorrect. How can you say a Veyron is faster when all you have to do is look at the 1/4 mile trap speeds; a ZX-10 can hit 150mph in 10 seconds.

They are not incorrect, YOU are incorrect.

A Hayabusa and Veyron do 0-100mph in 5.5 seconds. Why does the busa do the 1/4 mile quicker than the Veyron? You said EVEN a Ferrari F40 is quicker than bikes over 60mph!! So Veyron being 1 of the fastest should thrash the busa in 1/4mile if it indeed did do 0-100mph in 5.5. But it's almost a second behind!!! Don't you look up FACTS about bikes 1/4 mile times? I know what I'm talking about, I work in the motor business.

It's gone from a Saxo VTR to a Veyron LOL.

You're wrong about the Veyrons 1/4 mile time, it's under ten seconds.

I don't know how I missed this thread up until now, but wow! Who cares how quick a Saxo VTR is? It has 98bhp and weighs 920kg... this is hardly groundbreaking.

It won't be fast or slow (compared to most cars on the road), just very very normal. If you drove faster than people in much quicker cars then kudos to you, you driving God you. But even so, a Clio Sport is not doing it's best if you kept up, in fact nowhere near. Same for the Fiesta ST even.

I go to regular trackdays and have been to a few drag days with friends I have made. You see all sorts on these days, but even I don't believe that a VTR is the same 10-65mph as a Clio Sport or a Fiesta ST 0-80mph. It's not impossible if the other car makes a mistake or is in the wrong gear etc etc, but both cars doing their best and the tech specs speak for themselves.