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Veyron all official 1/4mile times are from mid 10's to late 10's, that 1/4mile in 9's is from Wikipedia and is a time the gave the car before it went into production, it's never been proven so it's unofficial, so basically a full blown lie.
A ST owner will never admit the VTS completely thrashed them upto 100mph and they will NEVER admit a cheap VTR will hang with them upto 80.
Exactly, well said, but this guy thinks he's the best driver in the world and will not come across anyone better, so on that basis he's saying his Saxo is faster.
Did I say my VTR was faster??? I think the word you're looking for is QUICKER not faster, 0-80 mph a 03 VTR will hang with a Fiesta ST, and most ST owners will admit that. You're just being negative cause deep down ya don't like the Saxo and the people that drive them
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'Quicker' and 'faster' are synonyms... and no most ST owners would not admit this, it would be like most VTS owners admitting a VTR can match them 0-80mph. If you are so sure of yourself, go on a Ford forum and ask the owners; I would love to see the reactions.
Wrong again! My brother owns a VTR.
Which VTR??? 1996 upto 2002 all have 90bhp and are nowhere near as quick as the 100bhp "10bhp Extra" VTR, only a 52 plate to 53 are 100bhp and are very quick, easily hang with an ST upto 80mph, BUT after I did notice the "extra" power of the ST, BUT it wasn't running, more like slowly walking away.
All you people do is argue and don't dare challenge me for real. Anyone can beat old VTRs with high mileage with a crap driver, but try that with my new low mileage rocket; I guarantee any ST owner will be shocked when they look left at 80mph and see my VTR there!! Do not underestimate a 100bhp VTR.
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I used to own a VTR. I was driving home late one night and a Fiesta ST blasted past. I gave chase and caught up on the bends, but on the straights he was leaving me. Then on one particular straight he just vanished. Don't accuse me of being a crap driver either as a reason. Because without being bigheaded, I know how to shift a car around.
"I used to own a VTR. I was driving home late one night and a Fiesta ST blasted past. I gave chase and caught up on the bends, but on the straights he was leaving me. Then on one particular straight he just vanished. Don't accuse me of being a crap driver either as a reason. Because without being bigheaded, I know how to shift a car around."
It's comments like this that give the Saxo a bad name, "he just vanished" A fiesta ST is not a Ferrari OK, if I was racing a Ferrari 360, yeah that would vanish away, but not a Fiesta ST, upto 80mph a VTR and ST are neck & neck, and a VTS is quicker than a ST period, and a 100bhp VTR isn't that far behind a VTS, so why the disbelief?
Most VTRs you see on the road are the 90bhp versions, so that would explain why a lot of you think they are slow. I ride a fast bike and it still amazes me how quickly the VTR climbs to 100mph. It's not dangerously fast like my bike, but it is not a slow car. A Micra 1.0 or Fiesta 1.2 IS a slow car.
No it's a 100 bhp 52 model, and very nice it is too, but I thought my Nova GSI (100 bhp) was a bit quicker.
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Low mileage rocket... coming from someone who is supposed to drive properly fast motorbikes? It is definitely not a rocket, and you are living in another world if you think the extra 8bhp of the mark 2 means it is worlds apart from the mark 1.
It is beyond belief that somebody would actually argue that 8bhp between Saxos is a lot more noticeable than the massive power deficit between a VTR and the cars you claim to be as fast as.
"It's comments like this that give the Saxo a bad name"
That says it all for me.
8BHP is a big difference when you're talking about 2 cars that weigh only 920KG. The 100bhp VTR is a full second quicker to 60mph and all round faster than the 90bhp VTR.
The VTR is a little rocket, it's not just about how quick the speedo needle goes, it's about the feel of speed, the 1st gear kick up the backside; in a bigger faster car you just see how quick the needle goes without any fun, you feel safer and don't get the sense of speed. Big cars are boring!!!
The Saxo VTR is a great car, I just wished people would stop calling them.
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The power to weight between the two is 110 bhp per ton for the 100 bhp Saxo and 135 bhp per ton on the Fiesta - so quite a bit of difference, and the VTS is definitely not quicker, it's pretty much the same if not slightly slower at 130 per ton!
And before you start telling every one how power to weight means nothing, it obviously does as 100 bhp in any other car would barely move it, and it's only due to the Saxo's feather weight body that it's even nippy!
And the same for motorbikes - they don't have huge power, but due to weighing nothing go like poo off a shovel!
A better power to weight ratio FIGURE doesn't mean it will be quicker, and in the Fiesta ST's case this is correct. A Saxo VTS is so far ahead of a ST in acceleration 0-60 7.5 ON PAPER. I've actually seen a VTS do 0-60 6.5 with no mods and 130mph; it is clearly a quicker car.
My best 0-60 in my VTR was 8.6; half a second behind doesn't change much in real life, and upto 80mph we were neck and neck, but an ST owner will never admit a VTS thrashes him or a VTR gave him a run for his money; even Zetec S owners think they're faster - nothing like a Ford boy.
VTS's are quick little cars, but 6.5 is not in its capabilities, and it's 7.8 on paper. VTR are 9.2 on paper. No-one will ever believe what you say.