2002 Citroen Saxo VTR from UK and Ireland - Comments

It has nothing to do with people hating Saxos or cheap french cars.

Why can Citreon Saxos perform these miracles? If they can knock a full second off of their 0-60 time, why can't any other car?

Saying power to weight means nothing is not a valid argument when all the evidence points the other way. Just browse through some of the figures on this site.

www.letstorquebhp.com

Doesn't it strike you as surprising that manufacturers figures (found by professional drivers driving the car using proper timing equipment) match up very closely with the times suggested by power to weight? By the way, that site suggests slower figures for the VTR and VTS than Citroen use, and yet you complain Citroen underestimated the cars' potentials...

You live in your own little world. A VTS doing 0-60 in 7.5 seconds is going to thrash an ST doing it in 7.9? The ST is then faster after the initial start due to its higher power, and in normal driving there would be little in them!

You then said that you achieved a best time of 8.6 to 60 in your VTR - (how this was timed is very questionable) and then say as this is only half a second slower than an ST on paper, it would make little difference on the road, after you've just told us the VTS, which is only 0.4 seconds faster than the ST on paper, would thrash the ST???

Even if the VTR was less than 9 seconds to 60, which is doubtful, it's still at least a second slower than the ST to 60, and a lot slower to 100 etc!

Also you're now telling us how the VTS is so fast, where as many pages back you were telling us how there was no point in it because your VTR was as fast, and that VTS owners just over rated their cars to compensate for their higher insurance premiums etc?

You just go round and round in circles; why don't you just accept the car for what it is and what every body else except you knows it is!

I don't care if you believe me, I raced the ST and was level with it upto 80mph. I don't care if you don't believe that, but it's true. I was shocked too, but then again why should I be, it's a Fiesta and an overhyped one at that.

Saxo VTS 0-60 is 7.5, not 7.8, try to slow it down hey?? VTR 0-60 9.1, but like I said that's just the paper figure; I've done 8.6 and got proof with proper equipment, it's all about the launch to get a good 0-60 and the driver. Some people can drive all their lives and still be a crap driver, but people like me it comes naturally; you either got driving natural ability's or you don't, and it's not just me, but my whole family are born with this gene too. Some people are born great, others are not.

You need to go out and reproduce as much as possible, what a legend you are, if only the world was full of people with half as much talent.

Even you can't be taking yourself seriously to come out with something like that.

In your genes LOL!!

You know when they put 0-60 times etc down on car spec sheets, they don't just get a random person to see what it will do, they use their professional test drivers who must also have driving in their genes!

I don't dislike the Saxo, but it's not the rocket ship you insist that it is. If it could beat all other higher powered cars, why would you bother with anything else?

From your last post you've gone back to just saying it's your amazing driving that can make the car achieve better times than the professionals, rather than the car's ability. As I said, you just keep going round in circles.

So you think you're a great driver who can magically knock over half a second off of the 0-60 time of a car?

It's so funny how nobody at all on this thread out of all the comments there have been has backed you up once, surely if you're not talking bubbles then someone will back your absurd claims up with truth?

Usually the good drivers are aware of their own abilities, and don't overhype themselves.

That website you gave is full of crap. LOL a 100bhp VTR doing 0-60 in nearly 10 seconds LOLOLOLOLOLOL.

I OWN A VTR, I know how quick it is, OK MR DO NOT OWN THE CAR THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT!!! Why don't you take a seat because you're proving you hate the Saxo by saying they're super slow.

The is a big difference of what it says on PAPER and how it performs in REALITY. My bike does 0-60 in 3 seconds, but a Saxo VTR will launch better off the line, and upto 30 might still be in front!!

It's nothing to do with bhp or power to weight ratio, there so many factors that make certain cars unique, and Saxo's are unique, they just perform really well, they have low weight, good gear ratios, good throttle response, which reacts to their low weight instantly, and it also helps if the driver has mastered his car. A pro driver will not launch my car better than me, a pro driver who tests times on cars for a living, but has maybe only spent a few hours in a Saxo VTR and not perfected it. I live in a VTR all day and know my car inside from out, no one can drive this baby like me. I didn't just jump in this and do 0-60 8.6; it did take a while, but it can be done with everything done perfect.

"You just go round and round in circles; why don't you just accept the car for what it is and what every body else except you knows it is!"

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Precisely. Almost every argument used to argue the VTR is faster than we all know it is can be used to prove that it actually isn't because you tie yourself up in false claims which contradict one another.

You obviously DO care if people believe you, otherwise you wouldn't keep replying.

Just type in saxo vtr on youtube and you'll see how fast it is. Oh I do have a bike.

That website says 9.45 seconds 0-60, which is only 0.25 seconds off Citroen's own figures, whilst your time of 8.6 seconds is a massive 0.6 seconds out (earlier in the thread you suggested it could do this as fast as 8.0 seconds dead...)

Even though the website admits it can be a few tenths of a second out, I still trust it far more than anything you have said, at least their claims are based on facts and figures.

The Saxo is not a 'perfect' car, and if it was the case that it could achieve these feats because of the other factors you mention, surely there would be other examples of cars which massively outperformed their power to weight ratios...

I own a Nissan Micra and after years of practice I've managed a 0-60 time of 2.77 seconds - all confirmed on proper timing gear and I think that is a harder task than getting a Saxo to do it in 8.6, hence I m a far superior driver and know what I'm talking about!!

LOL

I didn't give that website as reference, but all the times given are within 1/10 ths of most manufacturers claims, and pretty accurate in most cases, so why would the Saxo be any different?

How come the Saxo has never won any awards if it's the perfect car? It's never got the praise of other hatches like the 205 GTI, Golf GTI MK1, Type Rs etc. It seems to be only you that holds it in such high esteem.

When did I say I did 0-60 in 8 seconds?? READ IT AGAIN! I was clearly talking about another car!

Various websites give a VTR different times and mainly the ones your reading are from the MK1 - MK2 90BHP version, a lot of sites do not verify the change and are a bit lazy really, but number 1 car sites like Parkers state that the 100bhp is like a full second quicker than the 90bhp. Parkers is the most accurate with 0-60 9.1, and my average 0-60 time is from 9.1 to 8.8, and my very best 8.6. You have never owned the 100bhp version if you think it's a mid to late 9's to 60; put a few mods on it and you will be on par with the VTS 0-60.

"How come the Saxo has never won any awards if it's the perfect car? It's never got the praise of other hatches like the 205 GTI, Golf GTI MK1, Type Rs etc. It seems to be only you that holds it in such high esteem."

Did I say it was a perfect car? What I said was it's a very good car for its class, it's all about personal preference and I prefer my VTR to all those you named. I said before I do not like the Type R, so why do you keep bringing them up, is it supposed to make me jealous? I don't like look of them FULLSTOP! The Golf GTI is nice, but not worth the money, I could get a Subaru STi for that price, why bother with a GOLF??? 205 GTi is too small and old.

After all this massive row with you negative people, I'm actually parting with my beloved VTR and getting a Clio 182. See you in lot the Renault section to start stereotyping me.

Why bother, I thought your VTR was as fast and far cheaper to insure!!