2002 Citroen Saxo VTR from UK and Ireland - Comments

Oh so now you're a pro car test driver as well? Wow, not only a driving god, but modest as well and you now have experienced supercars on the nurb! Woohoo.

Hold on guys, don't hate on this guy, he's a pro.

Nobody said the Type R was an exotic, far from it, in fact only you have claimed that.

If a car is just for 'A-B' as you put it, why buy a VTR in the first place? haha, same as why buy a Ferrari f355 if cars are just for A-B.

By the way, how deep is your hole now? 10 feet? 15? LOL.

Seriously, have you no concept of real world performance figures etc. So how does your 600 which you claimed to own earlier in the thread manage 11 second 1/4 mile times and 0-100 in 7 seconds? Hmm very suspect claims there, I wouldn't go up against a Hayabusa if I were you, you'll kick his a$$.

So you're a superhuman rider and a driver now? Wow I'm so impressed, please teach us oh great one.

LOL, if you really did get behind the wheel of a Porsche (even a Boxter 2.5) I bet it would be smashed up 5 minutes down the road.

And also where are you getting the times for a Civic Type R and Clio Sport from?

Hmm obviously the same cr** site as before with your superhuman Saxo stats. Haha the VTS would never manage 60 in 7.5, more like 8 seconds dead even 7.9.

You point and laugh at Type R's and Clio Sports, despite actually wanting a Clio Sport? I don't get why this has turned into a willy waving contest. Who cares what fast bikes/cars you have driven; it has no bearing on the Saxo VTR.

We can go round and round forever arguing over 0-60 times, but there is no point as nothing new is actually being said anymore. I think that anyone who reads this will be able to make their own decision on a Saxo VTR's performance capabilities, and perhaps one day somebody will post and actually agree with the optimistic VTR owner, but until then this thread speaks for itself.

As for the Civic Type R and Clio Sport statistics, they are actually closer than that according to book figures, as the EP3 is noted down as 6.7 and I can't be bothered to look at the Clio's right now.

The reason the VTS is unlikely to match these cars is simple - it does not have the power or even the power to weight ratio to be competitive; it might only be a cars length or a couple of cars lengths by 60, but after that it will fall way back.

"Every time some one mentions quicker cars, you defend yourself by bringing your bike into it. Who cares what a bike will do, and you really think that driving a bike will improve your car skills that much? You steer a bike by leaning, you steer a car with a wheel - they are nothing alike. At the end of the day you can only go so fast on the roads, and to use a bike's full potential you'd need to take it to a track where a half decent performance car will show it up at the first set of bends!"

So why are sports bikes quicker than super cars around the Nurburgring?

"As for the Civic Type R and Clio Sport statistics, they are actually closer than that according to book figures, as the EP3 is noted down as 6.7 and I can't be bothered to look at the Clio's right now.

The reason the VTS is unlikely to match these cars is simple - it does not have the power or even the power to weight ratio to be competitive; it might only be a cars length or a couple of cars lengths by 60, but after that it will fall way back."

I take it you haven't seen the Top Gear video of the VTS vs Clio 172, (182 and 172 no difference at all in performance). The VTS was hanging with it past 100mph!! Oh the VTS was the better handler too!! So that proves a Clio 172/182 isn't superior to a £2000 grand super mini VTS!!

Stop thinking the Clio and Type R are supercars, they have 30-70bhp more with more weight, so in order for them to "run" away in a race and make the VTS as if it's standing still, they would need over 300bhp with the same weight. Did you see the video on youtube "VTR vs AUDI S4"? See how well that VTR hung with that V6 twin turbo 339BHP 0-60 5.6??? - S4 is quicker and faster than a Civic Type R; I proved my point so let's drop it.

Let's have this whole review removed because all these people have ruined a Saxo review.

"because all these people"

You cannot be serious? You have not offered one constructive comment about the VTR in all of your many comments, perhaps info on running costs or insurance etc, but instead just constant overhyped performance claims.

No wonder the VTR drivers tend to get tarred with the same brush, I feel sorry for the rest of them.

"If a car is just for 'A-B' as you put it, why buy a VTR in the first place? haha, same as why buy a Ferrari f355 if cars are just for A-B."

I bought a VTR because it is very practical and I love them, and if the VTR wanted I would put a giant ring on the exhaust tip and marry her. A Ferrari 355 has got a nice exhaust note and that is all; not practical for daily things, and drinks too much fuel.

"Seriously, have you no concept of real world performance figures etc. So how does your 600 which you claimed to own earlier in the thread manage 11 second 1/4 mile times and 0-100 in 7 seconds? Hmm very suspect claims there, I wouldn't go up against a Hayabusa if I were you, you'll kick his a$$"

First you say book times are all that matters, now you're saying it's all about real life performance??? A 600cc is not hard to launch or any other bike once you get used to them, a R6 will do 10.8 1/4mile @ 129mph and a Hayabusa will do 9.8@145mph. I don't know where you got the 12 figure for the busa from. I don't own a 600, I own a 750cc.

"LOL, if you really did get behind the wheel of a Porsche (even a Boxter 2.5) I bet it would be smashed up 5 minutes down the road."

If I can redline a superbike and handle it, a Porsche is nothing. I took a GT3 around the ring and did a 9 min pass due too bad traffic.

"And also where are you getting the times for a Civic Type R and Clio Sport from?

Hmm obviously the same cr** site as before with your superhuman Saxo stats. Haha the VTS would never manage 60 in 7.5, more like 8 seconds dead even 7.9."

Ukcar.com and Parkers, Type R 0-60 6.4, Clio 72 0-60 7.0.

Nearly every site lists the VTS as 0-60 7.5/7.6. No site lists it as 8.0. I BELIEVE those figures NOT YOU, I think you're getting confused, it's the Ford Fiesta ST that does 0-60 in 8 seconds!!! And even that is in question as I hung with one with my STOCK VTR!!!

LOL this is so funny. Did anybody notice this sentence he came out with?

I take it you haven't seen the Top Gear video of the VTS vs Clio 172, (182 and 172 no difference at all in performance).

Yet his 8bhp difference between the mark 1 and mark 2 VTR is HUGE!!! Claiming anyone that's ever beaten a VTR, it must have been the mark 1.

"because all these people"

You cannot be serious? You have not offered one constructive comment about the VTR in all of your many comments, perhaps info on running costs or insurance etc, but instead just constant overhyped performance claims.

"No wonder the VTR drivers tend to get tarred with the same brush, I feel sorry for the rest of them."

I'm sick of replying to you, loads of cars are quicker than what they are on paper and some are slower. As I pointed out a Fiesta 1.1 is quicker than 18 seconds to 60mph and a 100bhp VTR is quicker than 9.1. There is about 10 videos on youtube of VTR's doing 0-60 less than 9 seconds including mine, and there's one that does it in 7.5 with mods, so it proves AGAIN you're wrong about the VTR.

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steven@carsurvey.org

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OK, things have gone too far in these comments, and after spending weeks trying to stop things boiling over, it's apparent from the last few abusive comments (not posted) that I'm wasting my time.

Hope everyone enjoyed the run, but I'm blocking the addition of new comments to this particular review. Please take this as an opportunity to take a breather, rather than moving the same discussion to a different review; any attempts to do that will be summarily deleted, and tougher blocks on new comments will imposed.

Please feel free to contact me at steven@carsurvey.org if anyone wants to discuss this further.

Steven Jackson, CSDO Media Limited.