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Here's the irony here. I've seen comments from Pro-Domestic posters who make claims that the Chevy Aveo is fantastic. That and the Fusion is "Award-winning". I've even seen comments that the Pontiac Vibe is a great car. I wonder if they also thought the 80's Chevy Nova, and Dodge Colts were also great. Ironic since the Vibe is built by Toyota as was the 80's Nova. Mitsubishi built the Colt. The Aveo is a re-badged Daewoo made in Korea. The Fusion is a re-badged Mazda.
In other words, as long as it has an American name slapped on it, these people don't care nor know the difference. This goes to the root of the entire "debate": People who don't buy Japanese cars aren't doing so because domestic cars are better. They do it mainly because the other car has a Japanese name. That's it. If you all would admit it, that would end the debate for good.
Domestic vehicles offer longer warranties because they don't last as long. I keep my vehicles until they fall apart (200K miles+), not because I have to, but because I see no need in purchasing a new vehicle every few years.
All my imports have run good long after the warranty expired (with NO extended warranty). My domestics however, have not lasted the term of the warranty. It's just my opinion from experience that domestics are shoddily built and use cheap materials and focus more on cost-cutting, whereas domestics are built for long-term usage and reliability.
I love how a lot of anti-Japanese car people here call them "flimsy". Have you actually looked under the hood of any number of Ford or GM cars? I rented a NEW Malibu about a year ago. The trunk on the thing was so thin that when opened, the sheet metal actually flexed back and forth. I kid you not. THAT's what I would call flimsy.
American car companies are too bullheaded. Everything that has gone good for them, they change it.
For instance, GMs best motor, the 3.8 liter iron block. The most reliable motor in the early 90s. In 96 they changed it to a plastic intake??? Why? To save money. It took them 8 years to change them back to metal! 8 freaking years!T
hey eliminated the B-body Roadmaster, Caprice and the god of them all, the Caddy Fleetwood!! Stopped making them because they think the market likes front wheel drive, scared of the Crown Vic so they stopped production of the best COP CAR EVER!! The 96 Caprice because the civilian model doesn't sell.
Now it's Fords turn. Hit a Crown Vic from the back at 75mph, sit back and watch the fireworks. They happily reinforce the fleet models, but the not the civilian model. You on your own.
Numerous problems with electricals, door that won't shut, air bag shocks! Can you really say that American cars are more reliable then the Japan big 3? You must be mistaken.
I know Honda has it problem with trannys, so does Nissan and Toyota. But I know what models to avoid.
"Domestic vehicles offer longer warranties because they don't last as long"
Wow. That's SOME logic. That's about as good as the "domestics were more reliable when they had no competition" argument.
Lets put it this way with the warranty argument: For years before anyone else, Hyundai and Kia introduced 100k warranties. Never mind that they still made crap. They still offer them, and at best their quality is mediocre. So the question is does a good warranty mean the product is automatically good? Hardly. It doesn't change the argument that all in all, Honda and Toyota still build better products - warranty or not.
"9th Dec 2008, 13:34.
180K miles, 100K miles??? Big deal! I would be upset if any car I bought today couldn't last at least 200K miles. A car should last that long at the very least with the investment one has made on it. Even my crappiest American vehicle went 225,000 miles before I finally had sense enough to stop pouring money into it and let it go."
Yes, I agree. That's why I know the Mercury and Ford will be good for a long time yet, because they still run like new at those respective miles, and based on experience with every other American car we've owned, we take it for granted that a car will exceed 200,000 miles. We owned five Dodges that passed 200,000 miles (one went 260,000 miles) ; one Plymouth; two Chevies. Unlike you, our American cars did not require money to be poured into them to exceed 225,000 miles. Maybe you feel like you were victimized in the 1980's by domestic vehicles and turned your back on America. Too bad.
"Wow. That's SOME logic. That's about as good as the "domestics were more reliable when they had no competition" argument."
No. The big 3 automakers are failing and suffering worse with each passing month, then throw my hard earned tax dollars in the pot when nothing is looking up is LOGIC. They got themselves in this mess I say let them dig themselves out. Besides, I don't buy American vehicles, why do MY tax dollars go to a domestic industry I do not support. When they can build a reliable car, I will buy it. Until then, I will stick with Nissan, Honda or Toyota.
Ford sales have dropped LESS than Honda and Toyota (and all other Japanese brands except Subaru) in recent months and it's well-known (and reported in the automotive press) that the build quality and reliability of Ford products equals or surpasses all Japanese brands.
The highest rated vehicle in the world is NOT a Honda. It's a Ford. The best selling vehicle in the world is NOT a Honda. It's a Ford. J.D. Powers best sport coupe is NOT a Honda. It's a Ford. It would behoove those ranting about "crappy"domestics to do a bit of research before making unfounded (and untrue) statements.
Longer warranties offer a piece of mind. I personally can't afford payments, insurance and upkeep on new cars. I would feel a lot better knowing if something happens to my car that would require thousands of dollars, would be covered under warranty. It's like a breath of fresh air. There are plenty of stories on this site that mention dealers squirming out of repairs.
I recently purchased this "much hyped" car. It is just an awful piece of junk. The fit and finish reminds me of my 1973 Plymouth Satellite.
I have problems with the power windows. Plus I keep hitting my head on the low roof line every darn time in get into the car, and get out of it.
Don't get me started on the trunk. I slammed me finger in it shortly after we got the car. I should sue Honda for making the trunk hard to close.
The window washing fluid tank is so small that I am forever refilling it (like three times a week). I hate the jack and spare tire too. It is very hard to get the jack out of the little compartment they store it in. That is it you can even FIND IT. It took me almost 90 min to locate the jack.
What has my blood boiling is the cheap little plastic holder for the owners manual. You think they would make this item out of "GOOD QUALITY" material like that of an expensive book. It is made with all the quality of an instruction guild for a wide screen T.V.
Since I got the car the paint has faded. The light green color now looks about three shades lighter. I have had the car back to the dealer several times. At first they tried to fix the problems, now every time I take it in it seems like they are laughing at me. One guy in the body shop told me that he had no idea what I was talking about when I said the paint faded.
Honda has grown and become a successful car company. Because of this they are now losing their edge.
Sounds like the '73 Plymouth Satellite was actually the better car. I know I'd rather have it than the Honda.
"The highest rated vehicle in the world is NOT a Honda. It's a Ford. The best selling vehicle in the world is NOT a Honda. It's a Ford. J.D. Powers best sport coupe is NOT a Honda. It's a Ford. It would behoove those ranting about "crappy"domestics to do a bit of research before making unfounded (and untrue) statements."
Yes, I agree with these statements. Ford manufactures a larger range of vehicles that Honda does so it is likely they will sell more cars/trucks. Also, J.D. Powers is very biased in its reviews and "encourages" consumers to buy American. Ford is crap and so is J.D. Powers. Of course they would uphold a domestic brand over a foreign one. Whatever the case with Powers, Toyota still sales more family and economy cars than Ford and GM with Honda not far behind. Even Nissan sales more Altimas each year than Ford does its Fusion (Mazda 6 foreign car). The reviews are based on opinion and not facts and from experience, I would far rather drive a Honda/Nissan/Toyota than a Ford/GM. My repair bills and years of ownership speak for themselves, along with relatives who have owned foreign over domestic vehicles with not a single dissatisfied owner.
My cousin and his wife have a 1994 Honda Accord LX bought brand new (January 1994). They also have a Nissan Armada and 2008 Infiniti G35. They STILL drive the Honda with 253,000+ miles. I asked him, he said all he has done in almost 15 years is change the timing belt, water pump, oil, occasional battery, alternator, alignment and tires. The car runs good.
"Maybe you feel like you were victimized in the 1980's by domestic vehicles and turned your back on America. Too bad."
Actually, no. I was gratified by the privilege of buying a Nissan Maxima in 1987, new. I knew better than to buy a domestic in the 80's. Owned the car for 21 years with few problems and decided then to turn my back on domestic vehicles. Buying a GMC Sonoma in 1996 confirmed the reasoning for my decision I have yet to come to regret.
"Here's the irony here. I've seen comments from Pro-Domestic posters who make claims that the Chevy Aveo is fantastic. That and the Fusion is "Award-winning". I've even seen comments that the Pontiac Vibe is a great car. I wonder if they also thought the 80's Chevy Nova, and Dodge Colts were also great. Ironic since the Vibe is built by Toyota as was the 80's Nova. Mitsubishi built the Colt. The Aveo is a re-badged Daewoo made in Korea. The Fusion is a re-badged Mazda.
In other words, as long as it has an American name slapped on it, these people don't care nor know the difference. This goes to the root of the entire "debate": People who don't buy Japanese cars aren't doing so because domestic cars are better. They do it mainly because the other car has a Japanese name. That's it. If you all would admit it, that would end the debate for good."
This is SO perfectly true and many consumers are SO terribly ignorant to what they are buying.