2006 Lincoln Zephyr from North America - Off Topic Comments

<<Ford products now far surpass the Japanese and European cars in reliability and overall build quality.>>

Proof please, since no legitimate source has ever said this, from JD Power to Intellichoice.

And my Ford Focus was in the shop more times than ALL the 15 imports I had over the years COMBINED.

"Don't let the "import cultists" bother you. They're just jealous that they can't afford a real car like yours. Your Zephyr will be running (whether you or someone else owns it then) YEARS after the poorly built imports are rusting in junkyards."

I guess my 2007 Lexus IS 350 is not a "real car" as opposed to that joke of a car lincoln call a luxury sedan (HAHAHAHAHAHA). The Lexus IS as well as the Cadillac CTS (even though its domestic) and Acura TSX are much better buys then the Zephyr, opps I meant MKZ or whatever Lincoln calls it now.

By the way if you go to a junkyard, there are way more domestic vehicles there then imports.

Since there are more domestic cars in the world than imports, there will always be more of them ANYWHERE than imports. Japanese cars didn't even hit the market in the U.S. until the late 60's and early 70's. Domestics were here since 1903. Of course the imports are catching up fast in the junkyards. Most all of them over 10 years old are already there.

"Domestics were here since 1903. Of course the imports are catching up fast in the junkyards. Most all of them over 10 years old are already there."

You are wrong, most ten year old imports (Honda or Toyota) are still running good as new as opposed to their domestic competitors who have long since been scrapped in a junkyard.

"I guess my 2007 Lexus IS 350 is not a "real car" as opposed to that joke of a car lincoln call a luxury sedan (HAHAHAHAHAHA). The Lexus IS as well as the Cadillac CTS (even though its domestic) and Acura TSX are much better buys then the Zephyr, opps I meant MKZ or whatever Lincoln calls it now."

You are CORRECT... your Lexus is not a "real car" it is a junky Camry pimped up without the class that Lincoln offers. Side by side compare the 2...no comparison... your Lexus will be worth much less as far as resale!

<<You are CORRECT... your Lexus is not a "real car" it is a junky Camry pimped up without the class that Lincoln offers. Side by side compare the 2...no comparison... your Lexus will be worth much less as far as resale!>>

Please do some research before posting. The Lexus IS is NOT related to the Camry. You are thinking about the Lexus ES.

Next you'll be telling us the MR-2 was the precursor to the LS400.

""I guess my 2007 Lexus IS 350 is not a "real car" as opposed to that joke of a car lincoln call a luxury sedan (HAHAHAHAHAHA). The Lexus IS as well as the Cadillac CTS (even though its domestic) and Acura TSX are much better buys then the Zephyr, opps I meant MKZ or whatever Lincoln calls it now."

You are CORRECT... your Lexus is not a "real car" it is a junky Camry pimped up without the class that Lincoln offers. Side by side compare the 2...no comparison... your Lexus will be worth much less as far as resale!"

i guess you dont know anything about lexus, the IS 350 is not based on the Camry (That would be the ES) although the Camry is a great vehicle. And the Zyphilis or MKZ whatever its called is based on a Ford Fusion which is MUCH WORSE then a Camry at least the Camry is a proven reliable vehicle (AMERICAS TOP SELLING CAR) as the Fusion is nothing more than one of Ford's throwaway design cars that they are struggling to sell.

As for the resale comment go ahead and compare a 2003 Lexus IS 5 speed and a Lincoln LS V6. The Lincoln cost 2 thousand dollars more when new and now its worth about 3 thousand less than the Lexus IS.

As always, the import fans are totally ignoring the facts.

First of all, the Lincoln Zephyr is ranked HIGHER in reliability than the Camry or Accord. ALL Lincolns are way ahead of ANY imports in that regard and have been since the mid-80's.

As for 10-year-old cars still on the road, there are FORTY-YEAR-OLD domestics still on the road!! (especially trucks). If faulty brakes, defective air bags, sticking accelerators, peeling paint and engines that fail at 34,000 miles are marks of a "quality vehicle, then I suppose Toyota qualifies (see Highlander, Tundra, Camry and Corolla reviews and comments).

The Lexus, being a Toyota, is also plagued with all those same problems, so the fact that it costs twice as much doesn't mean much.

<<First of all, the Lincoln Zephyr is ranked HIGHER in reliability than the Camry or Accord. ALL Lincolns are way ahead of ANY imports in that regard and have been since the mid-80's.>.

Sorry, but your Uncle Earl telling you this isn't JD Power, Intellichoice, or any of the others. Even this site proves that Lincolns are hardly the paragon of quality.

That said, when I did look at an LS the dealership was quite helpful and treated me like a human being - so unlike their Ford counterparts.

Members of my family are currently driving a number of domestic vehicles FAR older than 10 years, including a 1955 Pontiac, 1972 Dodge, 1968 Dodge, 1983 Chevrolet and 1977 Buick. A couple of years ago my brother traded in a 1975 Ford that had gone well over 300,000 miles with virtually nothing beyond routine maintenance. Poor reliability is not a characteristic of well cared for domestic vehicles.

<<Members of my family are currently driving a number of domestic vehicles FAR older than 10 years, including a 1955 Pontiac, 1972 Dodge, 1968 Dodge, 1983 Chevrolet and 1977 Buick. A couple of years ago my brother traded in a 1975 Ford that had gone well over 300,000 miles with virtually nothing beyond routine maintenance. Poor reliability is not a characteristic of well cared for domestic vehicles.>.

Really? My friend followed his Focus's maintenance schedule to the letter and it still was in the shop every month for one problem after another. My parents virtually rebuilt their 1980 Buick Skylark after nearly every part had to be replaced before they sold it in 1983. And I can site many other stories.

Meanwhile, I've never owned an import (one not built in America) that wasn't outstandingly reliable.

"<<Members of my family are currently driving a number of domestic vehicles FAR older than 10 years, including a 1955 Pontiac, 1972 Dodge, 1968 Dodge, 1983 Chevrolet and 1977 Buick. A couple of years ago my brother traded in a 1975 Ford that had gone well over 300,000 miles with virtually nothing beyond routine maintenance. Poor reliability is not a characteristic of well cared for domestic vehicles.>."

That may be true, but things change. Especially in the 1980s when the domestic vehicles were being built with horrid reliability. There is a reason why people never consider many domestic cars from the 1980s classics, and the sad thing is that Ford cars are the worst when it comes to reliability (their trucks are descent though)

I beg to differ about your statements on 80's domestic's reliability. My 88 suburban has been the single most reliable vehicle I've ever owned, and in the 8 years of ownership it has given me one problem. It is also my daily driver, and has been since I bought it.

<<That may be true, but things change. Especially in the 1980s when the domestic vehicles were being built with horrid reliability. There is a reason why people never consider many domestic cars from the 1980s classics, and the sad thing is that Ford cars are the worst when it comes to reliability (their trucks are descent though) >>

You need to get your facts straight. Spend one hour going through the entries on this website and look at the older GM, Ford, & Chrysler products from the 1980's and compare them to the big three from the 1990's to present. You'll find people are a lot happier with 80's domestics than the cheaply built plastic crapmobiles that they make today. Plastic & foam bumpers, plastic door handles, paper thin interior fabrics, cheaply made engine gaskets, and front end parts that are completely worn after 50,000 miles, I could go on and on. The fact is, although dated & boxy designs, the 1980's American cars were by far the most reliable American cars ever. Just look around and see how many are still on the road today.

I bed to differ about your false statements that the 80's domestics were horribly unreliable. my '88 suburban has only given me 1 problem in all 8 years that I've owned it, and that's being a daily driver since day 1. next time you go out, look and see how many old suburbans there are still out there toting around. I see at least 3 DIFFERENT ones a day.