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My 2002 Toyota Tundra 4.7 was ANYTHING, but the "world's best". After 8 trips to the shop in 24,000 miles I decided to go back to domestics. My 2005 F-150 has not had a single problem and is far better built than anything Toyota has ever made. I regret having fallen for the Japanese car myth.
I have bought many new imports since 1969 and a lot of domestics as well. I maintain that the mechanical issues on the new imports since 2000 have diminished in my opinion on the last 3 vehicles my family has bought new. We are going with domestics now. There are plenty of comments in the Toyota forum attesting to this... and a lot of us are not dreaming its costly! If you have an older than 2000 model maybe you don't know this yet.
Thank you commenter 11:11 for an HONEST view of a Toyota!! If bad brakes, bad air bags, bad transmissions, peeling paint and premature engine failure (see Corolla reviews) constitute the "world's best", then the world is in pretty sad shape!!!
10:50...I use to say my Mercedes Diesel Sedan was the longest lasting. What Toyota do you own that lasts longer (you indicated longest) than a Mercedes Diesel and what engine?
Comment 10:50 is about the most unfounded and silly comment I have seen on here: "start with the FACTS??"
The FACTS are that Ford is now rated as HIGHER in reliability than Toyota or Honda. The FACTS are that despite countless rants and unfounded claims, not ONE SINGLE IMPORT OWNER has offered a single "FACT" to back up their claims!!
As I read thru various comments on the various sites, I see comment after comment from people who actually own domestics and have ZERO problems with them.
I also see plenty of comments like comment 11:11 from people who have had anything but reliable service from imports, but now are VERY happy with a domestic.
Maybe if you had actually owned a domestic you might be a little wiser.
It's funny that anyone would make a comment about ANY Japanese vehicle being the "longest lasting". A number of vehicles have made the "million mile club", including Volvo, Ford, Cadillac and Mercedes. There's not a Japanese car in the entire list. "Longest lasting"?? Keep dreaming!!
<<It's funny that anyone would make a comment about ANY Japanese vehicle being the "longest lasting". A number of vehicles have made the "million mile club", including Volvo, Ford, Cadillac and Mercedes. There's not a Japanese car in the entire list. "Longest lasting"?? Keep dreaming!!>.
Well, the million mile club isn't necessarily an indication of quality. A Saab recently made it and, as this site and endless others testify, the majority of Saabs are crap. Same with Volvo and Cadillac.
Mercedes is the only one that can claim to offer consistent quality (in the PAST).
The rest are just attributed to a combination of luck and how much money an owner wants to pump into the car.
That still doesn't explain why there are ZERO Japanese cars in the million mile club.
<<That still doesn't explain why there are ZERO Japanese cars in the million mile club.>>
Probably a lot has to do with ownership intent. There are tons of Beetles around here (California) but few American cars from the same era.
The Japanese cars were not "interesting" until about two decades ago. Now the Gen X, Gen Y, and others have taken a huge interest in them and you will soon find Civics and such entering the million mile club.
And, as I said, the million mile club is NOT a good indicator of reliability since Saabs have NEVER been a Consumer Reports recommended car and have never been considered reliable overall.
Where I come from we call them Rustyotas. Nice running cars, but the salt eats them up. My 1985 Corolla fell to pieces at around 300k. Cheaper to buy another one than to fix it. My 1989 Cressida was the same. I sold it to a guy who wanted the drive train, it still ran well, but it just rotted away.
I still got my 1978 Olds Vista Cruiser, it's my daily driver. Had it since new, it was my wife's car. A great car, has over 400k on the clock and still runs good. At least it always starts in the winter at minus 30C, neither of my Toyota's would start without being plugged in.
Haven't owned a foreign car since the Cressida. My wife owns an F150 and when the Olds dies I'm going to get one myself. Nothing beats North American.
Toyota is the best auto manufacturer on the planet. Anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong.
<<Where I come from we call them Rustyotas. Nice running cars, but the salt eats them up. My 1985 Corolla fell to pieces at around 300k. Cheaper to buy another one than to fix it. My 1989 Cressida was the same. I sold it to a guy who wanted the drive train, it still ran well, but it just rotted away.>.
My 1979 Caprice Classic had a new coat of rust colored paint (that was rust) after ONE winter in western New York. ONE.
My 1980 Tercel survived SEVEN winters without any rust problems.
<<My 1979 Caprice Classic had a new coat of rust colored paint (that was rust) after ONE winter in western New York. ONE.>>
<<My 1980 Tercel survived SEVEN winters without any rust problems>>
You must have kept it in the garage all winter. Nothing rusts like Toyota. That's why you don't see many ten year old Toyotas on the road, there usually part of it by that time.
Well, if you're talking about the cars themselves that is subjective since Toyota doesn't really make a sports car that I would be interested in. It used to build fun cars (Tercel - and yes my Tercel was fun as hell, Celica AllTrac, Supra).
BUT if you're talking about actual facts then, yes, Toyota is the best auto manufacturer on the planet. It has a market cap greater than the big three combined, is growing an a huge rate, and is considered the best run company in the world for its size.
Only from a pure profit perspective does Toyota lose out - to Porsche. Porsche is the most profitable car maker on the planet on a per-car basis, but obviously Toyota makes much more money overall.
Ops, I was going to add some more thought to this debate, but another "Huge" Toyota recall was just announced affecting 600,000 Tundra and Sequoia model trucks. Something to do with the steering. Nothing out of the ordinary I hear. Hey, now that's "Toyota Quality". That says it all!