2007 Toyota Camry CE from North America - Off Topic Comments

I am a 20 year old kid who owns a 1994 Honda Accord with 249,560 miles to be exact and I have never had any problem since I got the darn thing at 204,000 miles when I was eighteen. I used to think every time I hit a bigger number like 210k, 220k, 230k that the car had a lot of miles... my friends who drive domestics thought it would blow up just cause of the miles... but she still ran very well and now that I expect to hit 250,000 miles in a few days. I am starting to think that 250,000 miles is not a big deal since the car purrs like a kitten. When people get on here and start getting excited that their Cavalier has 208,000 miles I have to laugh because I now think any car should be able to do that--especially if you use your wallet to help drive the car that far. 275,000 miles or 300,000 miles does not seem like too much to ask from this 1994 Honda driven by a young hard driver who drives the gears up to 4-5 grand rpms. If you are wondering if the car has had a rebuild--it has never had anything replaced except the radiator hoses and radiator--clutch pump--and two timing belts--possible alternador rebuild?--and other Honda recommended maintenance.. If you ask me this is the classic Japanese car experience...I have saved alot of money from buying this car and I can now afford a newer car with what I have saved from driving this car.

"You're not going to convince any Toyota owner that I ever met that your list of junk cars are half as good as a Camry or any other import. "

Let them be brainwashed. YOU won't convince ME that there is any reason to go slavishly crawling to boring import crap when domestic companies have been building quality cars for decades, and the quality today is better than ever.

"This makes no sense. ALL union contracts for ALL three automakers are in full force. GM is still paying something like $1,600 PER vehicle in union costs."

Last I read, from Edmunds, GM's contract ended in late 2006. And I thought that Ford's ended as well, but I misread. I stand corrected with Ford, but not GM.

"Well, like it or not, Toyota has a market cap greater than the big three combined, generates more money than any other car maker (although Porsche is the most profitable car maker), revolutinized the car world with its hybrids (that the big three outright dismissed as folly), and is expanding at a rapid rate while the big three are contracting.

By definition, Toyota is the best car manufacturer on the planet.

Do they make the "best" cars and trucks? That is up to opinion and personal taste. I love the Scion xB, but everything else is uninteresting."

NOTHING you stated up makes them the BEST AUTO MANUFACTURER ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET. The hybrids have already been somewhat proved useless. Perhaps they may one of the "biggest" but they are far from the "best." How are they rapidly expanding again, oh you mean by only selling little over 100000 Tundras vs. Fords 800,000+? Along with, say losing customers of the Camry to the Ford Fusion? Their quality greatly declining? No, they're not getting any bigger, and definately not any better, so what next?

I am laughing in my chair thinking about some guy with a Cavalier in his driveway, typing one of those jealousy-ridden, angry, hollow comments! The truth stings, doesn't it? Just like the one commenter mentioned, the little 3 are falling to pieces while Toyota grows and grows, and has JUST taken full command of the last remaining demographic; powerful work trucks. Thank you Toyota, for at least providing me with a high quality, dead reliable vehicle for the money I spent (could've spent on a Ford or Chevy, and would have gotten much less of a vehicle in return). Every time I see ANOTHER Ford or Chevy car or truck broken down, I wonder; could it be one of the people commenting here on this site about how great they are? Yeah, you guys can sure quote past sales numbers when it comes to the F-150, guess what, they're on their way out the door. Watch the new Tundra sales in the near future. That thing looks like it could chew up an F-150 and spit it out the exhaust pipe.

I think the 13:52 poster needs dose of reality, like the fact that Toyota is a global company (it has bestsellers elsewhere), the hybrid technology can hardly be called a failure when every single Toyota is going to have it and even FORD is licensing it (along with Nissan and others), whether the Tundra outsells the F-150 (it won't since Toyota's capacity is only 250K) is irrelevant to Toyota's global domination.

"When people get on here and start getting excited that their Cavalier has 208,000 miles I have to laugh because I now think any car should be able to do that"

I tend to agree. In the '70s, a car was considered shot when it hit 100,000 miles, but since the '80s it seems to be the norm to see cars going to 150,000 miles, at least with domestics. I bought an '80s Dodge with 150,000 miles on it, and assumed it would die in a year, but I drove it for another 100,000 miles before the Wisconsin rust ate into it too deeply to keep on the road. It was still running, though. Maybe 208,000 miles on a Cavalier isn't that much to get excited about, but I don't think it's anything to scoff at, either. That doesn't exactly put it down there in the "unreliable junk" category.

To 13:34; I don't care what you are or aren't convinced of. Big 3 sucks. I know that to be fact. This is a Toyota site, for the FOURTH time. This is not a debate forum, nor is it a place for people who have made the bad decision to buy from Ford or Chevy to vent their frustrations to people who were smart enough to buy a good car, such as the Camry. If you like driving junk, that's your business. More power to you. I'll continue to drive Toyota's because I like to spend MY money on good vehicles; not cheap, crappy ones.

I looked at the new '07 Tundra today just out of curiosity. It HAS improved a LOT. They have really taken notice of a lot of the F-150's great features and copied them. I still think the F-150 is a far better and (based on all the problems with the earlier Tundra) much more reliable truck. I'll stick with the F-150.

The comments are disappearing. Why? Deleting comments such as the factual one that was posted a while ago does nothing for the discussion. all it adds is confusion for participants because certain comments refer to others as their main building blocks. without those, they have no base and no longer make any sense. pointless? YES.

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steven@carsurvey.org

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Comments are being deleted because there are some pretty unpleasant things being said. I'm trying stay on top of things, but unfortunately unpleasant comments do slip through and need to be removed or edited after they've been posted. I try to edit other comments so that they make sense after deletions, but sometimes I don't succeed.

I'm working on some solutions that will limit problem posters, but unfortunately this does take a little time. I apologise to everyone for the delay in getting this issue completely under control.

I've asked several times for people to show some self restraint when posting, and indeed most people do, but a small number of people are repeatedly crossing the line from robust discussion into personal attacks.

If people want to raise their concern about aspects of the site or other posters, they should email me, rather than starting a witch hunt in the comments of the site.

Steven Jackson.