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Welcome to the Wonderful World of "Toyota Quality". The Ford Fusion would have cost much less and had NONE of the problems you encountered. It's also rated better in reliability than Camry or Accord (not to mention the disastrously unreliable Nissans). Sorry you fell for ad hype and myths.
"And I would check the 0 - 60 times of all these wonderful SUVs. Heck, the "small" LR3 (Freelander replacement) only does 0 -60 in about 9 seconds, while sucking a ton of gas."
Comparing a plain-Jane commuter sedan to a luxury SUV? What is the point of that? People who buy SUVs and trucks don't care the slightest about 0-60 times, unless they buy a Hemi Grand Cherokee.
<<"And I would check the 0 - 60 times of all these wonderful SUVs. Heck, the "small" LR3 (Freelander replacement) only does 0 -60 in about 9 seconds, while sucking a ton of gas."
Comparing a plain-Jane commuter sedan to a luxury SUV? What is the point of that? People who buy SUVs and trucks don't care the slightest about 0-60 times, unless they buy a Hemi Grand Cherokee.>.
Well, the reality is you're right.
BUT on all these boards where SUVs are brought up all the pro-SUV posters keep saying is how slooooooow these "imports" are and it's simply not the case.
I have a 103 hp manual Aveo and I blow everyone away at the light. Not because my car is fast, but because these SUV drivers are too busy on the phone or checking their makeup. They don't care about going fast or handling or any of the other claims people here make.
The Porche Cayenne especially Turbo and the Chevrolet 395 hp 2007 SS Trail Blazer SUV owners certainly care... otherwise we would buy the sluggish models.
SUV's are not all slow. There is no car in Honda or Toyota's entire line that will come close to a Trailblazer SS or Hemi Durango in acceleration. Even the basic inline 6 Trailblazer is faster 0-60 than the '06 Camry's with the V-6.
As for fuel mileage, no SUV does very well, but the basic Trailblazers, Envoys and Rainiers will best the Highlander V-6 in fuel economy as well as blowing it off the road in sheer performance.
<<What the hell are you guys arguing for? I wouldn't even consider looking at a Toyota, simply because it's very unsafe, iihs.org tells you all the facts, on safety issue, the Camry or Corolla perform much worse than average (average means all cars on the market), it's like a plastic wrapped car, why you buy it? You do not respect to your life?>.
SUVs make up 60% of US car sales and you're worried about Camrys? Please.
Like I said, no one here wants to hear about the Ford junk you drive. AGAIN, this site is about the Toyota Camry, so keep telling yourself your domestic car is good, maybe someone somewhere else will believe you. Not here.
Can you get 5:25 a personal email address... hes not into group surveys or discussions...
Please, discuss all you like, as long as it's about a 2006 Toyota Camry, and not a Ford Fusion. There's a thread for that; look under "Ford Fusion".
You only win if you are unbiased and review and test drive all given vehicles in the price range you are considering. Please open your shutters a bit... I have owned this model and others at the same time.
<<You only win if you are unbiased and review and test drive all given vehicles in the price range you are considering.>.
Please explain what you mean by "unbiased". This term is impossible to use when discussing cars. At the VERY least different people have different expectations of cars. Many posters on this site buy used cars that are extremely reliable IF you can work on them yourself, yet they take it to a mechanic and spend thousands. They complain the car is awful and always in the shop, yet those who work on the car claim it's the best car made.
Another is what you are looking for in a vehicle. I personally detest any car that has a floaty feel or is nonsporty. So I am biased in that direction. Most people like the floating nonsport feel (as evidenced by SUV and Camry/Accord sales) so therefore they would be biased against such a car as a Miata, Porsche, or even a Mazda 3 (an extremely fun car to drive).
Even within this midsize car segment there are variations, the Mazda6 being a prime example.
Since the Ford Fusion is now rated as a better value and more reliable than Camry I'm sure Camry fans DON'T want to hear about it!!
I thought it was the Mazdaspeed six that was sporty. I do not think you can buy any ordinary Mazda Six and beat an Accord in sportiness. I have driven the New Accord and it is faster than your regular '6 with a slush box.
OH NO!! Enterprise just entered in an order for 10,000 extra Fusions! I guess the "Way Forward" plan is taking shape!
<<I thought it was the Mazdaspeed six that was sporty. I do not think you can buy any ordinary Mazda Six and beat an Accord in sportiness. I have driven the New Accord and it is faster than your regular '6 with a slush box.>.
Sporty does not mean speed exclusively. Mazdas are sportier cars than Toyotas or Hondas, which means they handle better out of the box. Most American buyers like floaty cars, so the Camry and the Accord are more tuned towards that end.