"I can't believe there is such a thing as a $16K brand new Fusion PERIOD. There is NO WAY a dealer will sell one for that"
There are new Fusions equipped with automatic advertised for $16,900 all over the entire southern U.S. I think the comment refers to the U.S., not foreign countries where they sell much higher. Most domestics sell for more in other areas of the world.
And again what's the matter with buying a Toyota made in a US factory by US workers getting paid in US dollars? Do they somehow not count? I personally know people who worked at the Fremont California plant that produced my Toyota Tacoma. They - just like me - have a mortgage, kids in school, and pay their taxes. They are exactly the same as those who work for any other company making something in this country. The purchase of my truck did in fact help American workers, and also helped the local and national economy.
Here's the deal about the whole "foreign" versus "domestic" argument. It's not about foreign versus domestic. It's about individual companies and the qualities they possess. Put aside the fact that companies are located in different countries for a minute as well as the bias that comes with patriotism. Simply put, Japanese carmakers - and more specifically Honda and Toyota, and maybe even Nissan, brought the US an entirely different kind of car, manufactured using far more efficient processes. It was a system that was incidentally developed by an American called Edward Deming in the 50's for various Japanese companies. This system was more efficient, cost-effective, and innovative. It allowed companies to focus more on quality. As a result, the cars made by these companies were better than those typically produced by the Big 3 of the time. In fact, they were better than the Big 3 for the better part of 25 years before the Big 3 started catching up. As we speak, GM and Ford, and perhaps Chrysler as well, are on par in many ways to Toyota and Honda. But if you are a company that has spent decades making lackluster products, then it would seem obvious as to why people would associate them as such, and buy more Toyotas and Hondas. That's about the extent of it: Build a better product, and more people will buy it.
These days the Big 3 are in good hands with some great management. They've finally gotten back into the business of designing cars and trucks people want to buy, and perhaps even trust as being reliable. That was not the case even a few years ago. But they will have to continue their trend of constantly improving the quality and desirability of their products, in order to continue swaying the public's opinion.
But ultimately, the consumer is the only thing that matters. Their choice is purely about choosing what they feel is best for their needs. The company that provides that will always come out on top.
The Volt is far from being a glorified Prius. They are totally different cars using radically different drivetrains. Whereas the Prius has a constant partial charge and discharge cycle with the car running most of the time on the engine, the Volt has a plug in battery that goes 30-50 miles on a charge before the engine kicks in. The result is that its more of an electric car with a backup engine.
Please send me the name and number of any one of those dealers. I need to hear it from them first hand before I will believe they would sell one for that kind of money with no downpayment or any other incentives involved. Also, $16,900 is more like $17K, so is the next post going to be $17,900? What is the actual price you are quoting here, because it is going up now?
"And again what's the matter with buying a Toyota made in a US factory by US workers getting paid in US dollars? Do they somehow not count?"
Of course they count. They make up TEN PERCENT of the auto-related jobs in the U.S. It's simply a case of choosing to help 10% of our people or 90%. Personally, I feel that as an American helping 90% of my neighbors is preferable to helping only 10%. That's why I choose to buy domestics. Even with the new math, 10% is still far less than 90%. We aren't saying that the 10% who work for all foreign auto makers combined (not just Japanese, but British and German as well) don't deserve jobs. We are just saying that hurting 90% of our people by buying from foreign car makers is far worse than hurting only 10% by buying foreign. People seem to have a problem with fractions. 90% is MUCH more than 10%. And PLEASE... None of this "Fusion is made in Mexico". Even if it IS, it still benefits an AMERICAN company, and due to the huge increase in sales, Ford is now moving Fusion production back to the U.S. and GM is likewise returning some Canadian operations to the U.S. This is creating tens of thousands more jobs for Americans. Even Chrysler is opening a new plant in Michigan. The 90-10 figure will soon be tilting even more in favor of domestic workers, as the Big Three increase, and Toyota phases out factories due to its falling sales.
Funny how GM keeps making erroneous statements concerning this car. Originally it was a full electric, and then just another hybrid. The 30 to 50 mile range is a bit of an overestimate after real tests have been conducted. Really, for $40K this is hardly a bargain, nor is it even a good buying choice in any way. The overall mileage of many hybrids is actually better. Unless you simply drive 25 miles per day around the city and then charge this car back up, you will get much less than average mileage on it. Take it on any trips and you'll see the truth. The first people to jump on the bandwagon with these cars are going to be the sorriest for sure!
Okay, didn't we cover this argument like a year ago now... over and over and over again? Please stop quoting this stuff.
Besides, who cares about the UAW? All they are is a bunch of people that drove their own companies into the ground with their overinflated salaries and ridiculous retirement packages. You can keep supporting this okay? I will chose to drive what works best for me and saves me the most money overall, which is import cars. They cost less to buy in better deals, and they are much less to own because they are so much better built.
When the UAW wants to send me some of their overinflated cash, then maybe I'll support them. They didn't care too much about their own business (or country for that matter) or the constant threat of failure so why on Earth would I? To continue to support their lame business practices only fosters more and more greed among Americans. This isn't going to make a better country. You need to look further into the future then tomorrow sometimes. Now drop this tired old argument would you?