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Building a car without any conscience towards quality, reliability, or engineering does not make it a good car. This is what makes Honda and Toyota a superior car or truck. They are built by people who love engines and will do anything to make them world class quality whether it is a Tercel or a Lexus. People come on here and say that their Chevette or their Corsica is superior to anything ever built by the Japanese and then you wonder why people cannot take you seriously?
19:02 I don't think that anyone here wants to replace trucks. What I want is for people that don't need them to stop buying them. The kind of hauling you're talking about is common to about 1 in 5000 people, just guessing. Why is it that I see as many trucks at the grocery store as I do cars? Are they buying ALL the milk? I don't think so. These people are driving an automobile with a v-8 that gets 13 miles to the gallon to the grocery store. That's just dumb. Is this stupidity going to continue when gas gets to 4 and 5 dollars a gallon? And it will, and soon. I've already heard estimates of $4 a gallon by next summer. My small truck gets 22 mpg, and I spend about $300 a month on gas. I've realized that I'll actually save money by buying a 10-$14,000 Hyundai, Toyota, or Honda car and getting rid of the truck. If my truck only got 13 or 14 mpg, it would have been gone a long time ago. It's simply common sense, unless you're one of the people in the tiny majority that actually needs a truck.
Wow some of you people are stuck in the early nineties, Toyota quality and that of the domestics is the same now, the only thing that hasn't changed is that European cars are still behind everybody. A JD Powers poll just found out that the top 5 car makers in reliability are as follows: Lexus, Buick, Lincoln, Mercury and Honda.
There are more vehicles than comparing Corsicas and Chevettes... which have no relevance yet again on a full size truck review. I feel that my new Siverado performs better, rides and handles better than the new Tundra, pulls better with a better load carrying capacity, carries an add'l individual, has a much better warranty. The first thing I noticed was the ride and handling quality which in itself prompted me to not buy a Tundra. The Titan if you are a staunch import fan in my opinion is a better truck than Tundra. That would be my only import truck consideration. If you have been in new full size trucks how about sharing your first hand driving impressions/comparisons as I have no intentions on buying any of the cars you are comparing to full size trucks that have no direct relevance to this discussion for potential purchasers.
22:18 Well, by the logic of most of the Ford and GM owners on this site, those reliability ratings don't matter. When it was nothing, but Japanese cars on the top, all of those magazines were 'biased', or accepting ad money from Toyota and being bribed, or were just plain wrong. So I guess Buick and Lincoln must now be coughing up money to bribe somebody to put their junk on the list? Which is it? Pick one. Either the ratings are accurate, which would mean that Japanese cars have historically dominated in reliability (which most of us already know is true), or those magazines are crooked and inaccurate, which means that those couple of domestics now on the list are simply paying them off to get a rating that doesn't mean anything. Which is it? You lose either way. Just about everyone knows that Toyota and Honda have always made the better product and still do.
22:18 Wrong. Your information is inaccurate. Here are actual facts:
Toyota and Honda do at least as well and roughly 90% of the time do better than the Big 3. I looked at 3 categories: overall quality, overall mechanical quality, and powertrain quality:
Overall quality: Lexus, 5 stars, Honda and Toyota, 4 stars, Ford and GM 3 stars, and Dodge/Chrysler only 2 stars. Toyota and Honda are best overall, as always, and as most of us already know.
Overall mechanical quality: Lexus 5, Toyota/Honda 4, Ford and GM 3, Dodge 2.
Powertrain quality: All of the above get 3 stars except for Dodge with only 2.
Lexus simply slaughters domestics, and Toyota and Honda are above them in almost every category, most importantly overall quality.
17th Nov 2007, 22:18.
So you believe Toyota being in 3rd place and Honda in 1st place magically bring 13th place Ford dead even with the best? I think that is a bunch of fuzzy math.?
I am pretty impressed with GM especially the Z06 engine. 0-60 under 4 seconds... the Toyota Twin Turbo Supra was decent. Guess I am bored with ho hum sedans especially the wallowy Lexus.
Wow lets sell a Tundra and buy a Honda pickup... sorry Ford Full Size Pickups are number 1 in the USA in this segment. How about going over to the car section and debating this.
You Ford and Chevy owners better try something else other than misquoting JD Power to convince people that Ford's and Chevy's aren't junk. Look at their 'large pickup' reliability ratings. The Tundra tops the list as the only award winner and has a 5 star rating. Oh, and if you look at ANY other catergory, Toyota and Honda reign supreme, as expected. In fact, in the small car category, the Civic and Corolla both get 5 stars, while no one else even gets 4 stars. Oops, try again.
13:13 The F-150 is a decent truck, but no Ford product has reached the level of quality that Toyota has been manufacturing at for years.
The Z06 is not a truck and it is not a four door sedan. I do not know what has gotten into the guy who thinks that we should get rid of our reliable 4 door sedans and buy a Corvette. Let alone buy a truck.
I like 100,000 mile warranties vs. risking that all vehicles are exactly the same pertaining to any quality concerns.
13:12 GM's 100,000 mile warranty is a sales ploy and nothing more. ANY new car will probably get to 100,000 without a whole lot of trouble. Then you're out of warranty. Buy the Toyota and drive trouble free to 2 or 300,000, or buy the garbage GM and be screwed after 100,000. Whichever you like.
Yeah my Honda's 7 year 100,000 mile warranty tops GM's 5 year 100,000 mile warranty. I know what you mean. A good warranty brings peace of mind and that is why I have an already reliable car with a great warranty.