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00:37 that is an opinion... there's a lot of posts otherwise on both here and on consumeraffairs.com with major mechanical issues on various late model Toyotas. Topics such as sludging, engine failures, air bags, braking does not seem indicative of a best made automobile in the world. It would seem that if the manufacturer could have a unconditional 100,000 mile warranty that would set the precedent for some domestics models to increase their existing 100,000 mile warranty even further as well.
It will be a while before I buy another new Honda/Toyota again. My new domestics are superior to the last new imports we owned as far as quality and less premature mechanical concerns. I buy new every 2-3 years... 2 vehicles at a time. I expect them to hold up at least that long.
To commenter 10:02: I have a few choice names to call you, such as patriotic, loyal, sensible and honest. I deeply appreciate those who support American industry.
I'm am now getting on in years and have owned a lot of cars (well over 30). For a long time my family was not wealthy enough to trade vehicles every three years, so we had to drive our cars for hundreds of thousands of miles. Our domestics have been flawless since we bought our first new one in 1970. We've never, not once, had to replace an engine or transmission. We have driven one of our Fords 300,000+ miles and one of our Dodges nearly a quarter of a million miles. My family still has a 1977 Buick with over 270,000 miles on it.
I can now afford to drive new cars more frequently than in the past, so 200,000 miles is no longer necessary for us, but we will continue to drive cars made by American companies. They are the best in the world, and most automotive authorities are finally beginning to acknowledge that. Fully 40% of Car and Driver's "10 Best" are made by GM, and 2 GM cars are currently Car of the Year and American Car of the Year. J.D. Powers and Associates rates the Ford Mustang tops in its class (which includes the less reliable Toyota Solara) and the Ford Fusion is the highest rated car Consumer Reports has ever reviewed, beating out even the Honda Accord. Chrysler is now offering a LIFETIME warranty, while most imports still offer a very limited 36 month warranty (and usually aren't very good about honoring it).
Our Ford and Chevy dealerships used car lots are filling up with 2, 3 and 4 year old Camrys traded in on new Fusions and Malibus. Driving a car built by an American company is a mark of both pride and a superior knowledge of automotive quality. Even import owners are coming to realize this now in the face of the massive decline in import quality and the bullet-proof reliability of all new domestic cars and trucks.
10:02 Which 'domestic' cars make you the proudest? All of the Fords that are assembled in Mexico, such as their best-selling Fusion? The one that has LESS American parts in it than a lot of Toyota's?
Or maybe you like Dodge's, or Daimler's, when they were owned by a German company? Wonder which country will own them next? What a joke.
Instead of giving a heartfelt, patriotic speech, next time look up some facts; like the quantity of domestic parts in Fords and Chevy's.
Plenty of Toyota's actually contain more domestic content than many Fords or GM's, and the Toyota is certainly the better car or truck every time.
How sad that you buy into Big 3 propaganda at this point in history. It isn't 1955 anymore. American automotive quality got left behind by foreign companies a long time ago.
Oh, and since you're so patriotic, look and see where the computer you typed that message on was made. Then look at your appliances, your TV, your radio, heck, take a look at anything electronic in your house. Most if not all of it was made overseas somewhere. Spare us the flag-waving.
My Tacoma is a far better vehicle than any domestic ever was, and put more Americans to work than a lot of Ford or GM vehicles do now a days.
22:25 'Driving an American car is a sign of pride and superior automotive knowledge'???
Tell that to the people that make them. They don't know it apparently.
My Toyota is so much better than any domestic I ever owned that it's funny to think about.
To 02:19 The story about the demolished Tundra was published in the Memphis, Tennessee Commercial Appeal. The article also contained a very graphic picture showing how the rear axle assembly had broken loose and shifted forward nearly 2 feet.
20:09: What year American cars have you owned lately? And no more I had an 80 model and it was not the best car. I have gone back and forth import... domestic many times.
I am not driven solely by price. I currently have 2 new high end GM's and they are outstanding; both my SUV and my truck...
I have owned Toyotas, Acuras and even Mercedes in the past, due to an ego and the fact I wanted a convertible. The import cachet, if that is what it is, only maintains the image if they do not break down.
My current vehicles have been as reliable as our new Acura Legends we once owned. They were the best but what happened? The 90's are over and every import we have had since has been lousy.
Again, what new domestics have you owned within the past 5 years that gives you the authority to condemn an entire industry?
As they do not buy my cars, I am the most fickle owner that has to be treated the best at the service department to see us return. At this point and time GM has picked up all the slack, and I have nothing but praise.
If things were so great with imports, why am I not driving 2 new 2008 models today?
It would be interesting to follow your next 2008 import purchase and track the repairs for 250,000 miles, if you in fact go that long again. I couldn't even make it 50,000 miles.
I could be driving a old Legend with 200,000 miles no doubt, but find me a new RL (the Legends replacement) that is as durable?
15:44 I haven't owned any new 'American' cars lately because I refuse to buy junk. I'm not buying another one of those pieces of scrap only to find out that it IS in fact just another Big 3, cheaply made piece of scrap. I'll stick with my much more reliable, much better built, much higher quality Toyotas.
16:21.
Thank you for enlightening me. I still had some of those 1955 views and did not realize Toyota was the savior of us all.
You are right, helping Japanese companies and buying Tacomas like you is a lot better in the long term than helping American companies. What would even be best, is if there were no American companies at all. Then the Japanese with all their plants they have here (subsidized by the US government) would own our country. That seems like what you are cheering for.
You call 10:02 a flag waver. Which flag are you waving?
My '03, Chevy has 80% domestic content and is assembled in the USA. The Northgate computer that I am typing on is made in the USA. The solid state technology in the computers that everyone here is typing their posts on, which is responsible for the technological revolution we are all enjoying; the Japanese did not invent any of it.
The only reason why many high tech products are being manufactured by Asian companies now is because their governments insisted that American companies assign those companies a portion of their intellectual property rights to those products as a contingency for them being sold in those countries. Then, once that (the first phase of their scheme) was completed, they took over the market with predatory trade practices; the American government, who was totally asleep at the wheel, let them get away with.
You helped them get away with it too by buying your Tacoma. Nice going.
6:14 is a cop out. They once owned domestics and refuse to acknowledge any far superior technological advances, superior handling, ride, room and twice the warranty of a Tundra. I doubt they drive a late model import as well...
Stay in the 90's for a long time... but at some point you may become a former import owner when you buy newer and they fail. I bought frequently, not the staunch holdout... I could go out and buy a Checker cab and drive that forever for whatever analogy that may present. The buy American only comment actually does not apply in my case... it was disgust that prompted my return to domestics. I had zero issue imports as far back as 30 years ago.... why in the past 5 were mine so lousy? It is not an isolated lemon situation either. The garbage comment to me is any new late models that have major engine/trans failures in under 50,000 miles inexcusable.
It is interesting to use the word scrap... I always liked high quality pure domestic steel, vs foreign lesser quality scrap steel.
"3rd Apr 2008, 06:14.
15:44 I haven't owned any new 'American' cars lately because I refuse to buy junk. I'm not buying another one of those pieces of scrap only to find out that it IS in fact just another Big 3, cheaply made piece of scrap. I'll stick with my much more reliable, much better built, much higher quality Toyotas."
Wow, these die-hard import fans are really getting desperate to resort to this kind of blind, vitriolic rhetoric. I guess they are beside themselves now that American companies have regained their rightful place as the leaders in automotive quality. The "American junk" rant certainly isn't supported by anything that J.D. Powers or Consumer Reports has been saying. The term "Japanese quality" is a term that died with the new decade.
Apparently the superior quality of the Toyota Tundra is the reason why Consumer Reports just rated it the #1 Pickup. Oh, wait... that's right, Consumer Reports gave that honor to the Chevy Silverado, citing the Tundra's poor reliability. Oops.
There is not a shred of data to indicate that ANY import (Asian or European) is any better built or more reliable than any current domestic vehicle. To the contrary, virtually every reputable source, without exception, is giving extremely good reviews to Ford and GM products.
Chrysler is building good vehicles too, but seems to be suffering not from reliability or quality problems, but uninspired (or downright ugly) styling.
Consumer surveys indicating the reliability of the owner's vehicles currently show domestics to be ahead of almost all imports. The high-ticket ego-mobiles such as Mercedes and BMW have several models rated MUCH worse than average in reliability. Toyota is reported to have an "uncharacteristic lapse in quality" (talk about UNDERSTATED!!) and Honda (and Acura) has yet to lose its reputation as a member of the "transmission of the month" club.
It seems that outspoken individuals who have owned ONE Toyota that actually made it past 100,000 with less than three engines have appointed themselves authorities on "reliability". To speak about problems with a domestic vehicle, it behooves one to have at least ridden in one. There are countless testimonies on here from individuals who have owned a large number of domestic vehicles that were totally trouble free. I think that carries a bit more credibility than one rare example of a 100,000 mile Toyota.
Google toyota oil gel program.
How about a 1970 Chrysler Newport 383 V8 touching 300,000 miles. My father would never sell... rides great, freezing cold a/c and a great American V8 with no emissions. My imports I sell every 3 years the warranty is up and repairs add up.