2007 Toyota Tundra SR5 from North America - All Comments

08:38 Another case of 'domestic owner denial'. Toyota already outsells Ford. Maybe not every single vehicle, but overall, yes. Despite what they might tell you in the Ford parts dept., I don't need to chant anything, it's already true. I'll be sure and rush out to buy a new F-150 that runs rougher than my 10 year old Toyota and is worth half as much after 10 years.

Again, I will point out to the Toyota lover that Tundra sales are up significantly this year, but the Tundra remains soundly in last place for sales behind all of the big three offerings.

If I had only one factory building my truck, I would understand too that it is going to be behind. You domestic owners should be worried, just as Alan Mutally is and Roger Smith. These guys run the domestics and you guys sit here and not worry when they do not sleep at all.???

10:58 Again, I will remind you that Toyota is #1 in sales worldwide.

The Tundra sales are especially remarkable considering Toyota's short history of making full size trucks. They're easily on their way to taking over the truck market as they did with the car market already. I can't wait until they sell more Tundra's than Ford sells F-150's, it's coming, and fast.

I know it, and so do you, whether or not you admit it.

I kind of enjoy being called 'Toyota fanatic'. It's kind of a compliment. If someone called me a 'Ford fanatic', I'd be insulted.

Toyota's sales overall are up because everyone is rushing out to buy their little death-trap gas savers. This is what you Tundra drivers should have done to begin with instead of going out and getting a "truck". Just by buying a Tundra, you prove that you don't really need a heavy-duty work truck and it shows that you prefer a supple ride over a real work suspension. Here's a cheap solution, get one of those gas sipping death traps, too. The vehicles such as the Yaris, Corolla, some Camry's, Matrix, and Prius are what's driving their sales. The Tundra is not helping much at all. If its sales have jumped 146%, then that means they'll be selling 250,000 this year instead of a little over 100,000 this year. Good for them, but it's still not 700,000+. Yeah, F-150's drink gas like a tank, huh? Gee, I wonder if that doesn't help to prove what I was saying about them being built like a tank? I wonder why Semi-trucks drink so much diesel, is it because they're so light? No, I'm pretty sure it's because they're heavy and re-enforced. Maybe the Tundra is more fuel efficient because it's lighter; and maybe it's lighter because it is not built as strong, with a smaller frame, suspension, and weaker, less-dense metal in the engine. Could that be? Wow! What a revelation. Look, there goes the point I've been trying to make for months to you people. Now you people out there driving those tiny little light weight Toyota cars better be careful. I don't want to have a wreck with you in my F-150 while I'm racking up the miles closer and closer to 300,000 (I'm only 11,000 miles away and the engine never refuses to turn over.) I'm sure the carnage wouldn't be pretty. Don't block the passing lane. I know how you old ladies like to crawl in your Camry's.

21:38 So your F-150 is heavy and drinks a lot of gas? That's a plus. It's built 'Ford tough'? That must be why every other one I see more than 8 years old looks like a twisted piece of crap. Must be from hauling popcorn or something.

I can actually get my Tacoma airborne a foot or two off-road, and it doesn't even go out of alignment. Try that in your F-150 and it'll be laying there in pieces after the first attempt. I'll believe 300,000 miles just as soon as I'll believe 3 million. If it does have 300,000, then you're probably on the second engine and third transmission.

Stay out of the passing lane? A Camry would beat your truck in a half mile race by a quarter mile driving in reverse.

So Toyota makes better engines huh. I guess that's why the modular V8 in the F-150 wins so many awards and why the Tundra 5.7's are having to be recalled for engine defects. I also here that F-150's need a new drive-train after 30,000 miles. Well that is just pure ignorance, as I work for an engineering company that uses F-150's and they aren't sent off to the auction until around 200,000 miles and almost none of them need to, or have had, their drive-trains replaced.

Very well said 22:36. Unfortunately, you'll never be able to convince the Toyota people. They are just going to have to go out and buy Tundra's and one-by-one have them fall apart before their eyes before they get it. Too bad our economy will suffer in the process. But of course that probably makes the Toyota faithful happy.

By the way, Toyota setting up plants in this country is not doing us any favors. In most cases Toyota was given the land, and does not have to pay taxes. Do American companies get those kind of favors... NO! They just get people who should be on their side nit-picking them to death, while their foreign competitors can turn out any kind of garbage (Tundra...) they like while those same people give them a pass.

Japan inflates the value of Japanese goods in their own country, sticking it to their own people in the short term, so they can cover selling their products in this country at reduced prices, to stifle sales of American goods in the USA, destroy those effected industries, and bring down our economy in the long term. They have been waging economic war on us for years, and you Toyota lovers are playing right into their hand. Of course I may admittedly be going out on a limb for having the notion that this might even bother some of you.

Once the Japanese's plan is complete, and the American auto industry is dead (God forbid), they will be the only game in town, and you will be at their mercy for them to not pay third world wages at their plants you love so much, and charge $30,000+ for a compact car. This is what you are enabling when you buy a Toyota. Just keep cheering on the demise of the American auto industry, and the colonization of our country by the Japanese, and see what happens.

For the record, this is nothing against the Japanese people, just their government, and our own government for letting them get away with it. As far as people who buy Toyota's are concerned, I'm sorry, but you should know better.

To all the blind Toyota lovers out there...

I've owned both Toyota and GM. My last three cars have been, in the following order from first to last:

1988 Olds Delta 88.

1991 Toyota Celica ST.

1995 Toyota Celica GT (with the Sports Package, which would have been designated as such with a "-S" next to the "GT" on the rear hatch had this car been registered in any country other than the U.S. that year.

The '88 Olds, which shared most drive train and engine (3800 V6) components with close Buick and Pontiac cousins, holds the most sentimental value in my mind and, I'm convinced would have outlasted the other two had my brother, whom I gave it to cuz he really needed a car, not crashed it multiple times. We finally retired it on account of structural damage. But that engine had 212,000 miles on it and did not burn any oil -- NOT A DROP. Just before very oil change, the level would be right at the top. I couldn't believe it, honestly, and I'm certain that engine could have gone another 200,000, even 300,000 miles.

The '91 Celica ST was great in its own right. Heck, I bought the thing with 210,000 miles on the odometer. I really wanted a manual (the other reason I readily transferred ownership of the Olds to my brother). That car was tight, for sure. And the engine always started. But man, did that thing eat oil. And, around 220,000, it began to blow a big cloud of blue smoke out the tailpipe every morning. So I began adding a whole quart of Lucas at every oil change. This cleared up the problem, although consumption continued essentially unabated. And finally, at 270,000 miles, even the Lucas couldn't stop the "morning blow." So, I gave the car to another relative (see a pattern here? lol...), my down-and-out aunt, who needed something that drove. With 24W-50 PLUS Lucas, she made it to 299,000 miles before totaling it in an accident (luckily, she was OK). A pang ent through me, as everyone was rooting for it to clear 300,000 miles. But, alas... that was the end, and a performance not nearly as stellar as the Olds'.

My current car, a '95 Celica GT (again, the Sports Package), has fared least well of the three. Sure, it shows 194,000 miles on the clock, but I've babied it. Here's ANOTHER Toyota that's blown blue smoke at start-up every morning. With this one, it started around 120,000 miles. To stop it, I first tried what I'd done with the '91, but Lucas alone proved inadequate. So, for the last nearly 80,000 miles, I've added a quart of Lucas AND a quart of "Restore 4-Cylinder Engine Formula" at every oil change, topping it off with regular 10W-30 or 10W-40, depending on the season. In the meantime, I had to dump $4,000 worth of repairs into it in May of last year, at around 170,000 miles. The only thing in that considered to be normal maintenance was the timing belt (a mere $350, or so, of the total) ; the rest was significant, including an almost completely rebuilt rear-end (new control arms, bushings, and struts -- and I've always taken care not to drive this car on dirt roads, etc., so that kind of repair was pretty uncalled for, in my opinion) and a bunch of other stuff that, frankly, I can't even remember.

And now my 95 GT's clutch seems ready to bite the bullet (the '91's was the original the whole time), we can't seem to get the front end quite right (still shakes on the highway, albeit it slightly, even after a tie-rod repair last month). I'm going to drive it to 200,000 miles, just to get a nice round number out of it before shopping for my next used car.

Because I enjoy standards so much, the next car may indeed be Japanese instead of domestic, but let me tell you all something I mean wholeheartedly: I have no qualms about buying a GM vehicle. Ford and Chrysler have never impressed me. My family has owned cars from all three; the Fords and Chryslers all seemed sub-par, but the GM vehicles always more than held their own against the Toyotas (and my friends' Hondas/Acuras).

I realize that a handful of GM offerings from earlier this decade were indeed lemons. That was an anomaly that has had the unfortunate effect of emboldening the knee-jerk domestic bashers to renew their efforts. I only hope GM will pull through. As I always ask people, don't you think it just might be a good idea, as a nation, for us to be able to make our own stuff?

Of course your Tacoma can "fly" 1 or 2 feet off the ground. What truck chassis couldn't if it had a fluffy aluminum engine sitting on it? Why don't you take that aluminum engine out of that thing and put a 5.4L cast iron block in there, or even just a 4.2L cast iron block? Are you trying to tell me your vehicle is tougher because it's lighter? What a joke. Those skinny little frame rails would bow if they had to handle a cast iron engine. Any aluminum engine that is the same size of an equivalent cast iron engine is probably a couple hundred pounds or so lighter than the cast iron. My Ford would fly just fine if it had a car engine under the hood. You think that's maybe why Chevy Blazers and Ford Rangers are worse for throwing ball joints? Could it be because they have much heavier engines and frames sitting on top of them? Could that just possibly be? I'd say your Tacoma would be laying in pieces if it had to handle the weight of a real engine. I believe your story about jumping through the air about as much as you believe my story about having 300,000 miles on the odometer of my work F-150. Ooooh no! You don't believe me? Well I guess that means it isn't so, just because YOU don't believe me. Oh Please! Like I care whether you believe me or not. I tell you some people who do believe me; the service department at my dealership. They believe me because they have to change the oil in the engine every three weeks because I put 1000+ miles on the truck weekly. According to their records my engine is original. The transmission lasted until 220,000 miles of hauling heavy loads, then finally gave. Ever hauled thousand-pound loads in your Tacoma? Probably not. Ever jumped your Tacoma off the ground with hundreds or thousands of pounds in the back? I seriously doubt it. Any vehicle can fly when it weighs 20 pounds. As far as the Camry statement goes; Camry's last so long because old ladies drive them 10 or 20 miles under the speed limit. Of course it could outrun my truck; my truck weighs 2000 pounds more than a Camry, and it has a V6. If your Tacoma or any Camry is so solid, let me ram it with my F-150 and we'll see how heavy-built they are. Of course, since your Tacoma can fly, you could just fly away from me like a little light weight birdy.

11:32 I own a Toyota, and I'm not blind. I just know it never breaks. But all of my garbage GM's and Ford's did.

16:14 So, your Ford throws ball joints and falls apart because the engine weighs 200 pounds more? Wow. That's exactly the same as me having a 200 pound person in the passenger seat, and still off-roading as hard as I do, which I have done many times, and not broken anything. Funny.

How many 'thousands' of pounds do you put in the bed. 50? I can't wait to buy an F-150 so I can put 50,000 pounds in the bed. Do all Fords haul that much? Funny again.

I'm sure as a Ford owner, you have a close relationship with the Ford service department and they record your mileage each time the truck is broken and needs to go there. My Tacoma has not seen a garage yet in 10 years. I'm going to tell you a secret, get close to the screen: (cast iron blocks are completely outdated, unless you're driving a farm tractor). Anything new has an aluminum block in it, and they're proven to be superior to cast iron in every way, unless of course Ford builds it, and it overheats. See, that way, Toyota can have a strong truck that doesn't carry 300 extra pounds under the hood. That's why my Tacoma is nimble off road, and will run circles around an F-150, yet still built more rigidly than a Ford. Technology; it's a wonderful thing. Ford may look into it someday.

The problem with some of the individuals that post on this favour the domestic market too much, because they probably are involved in the automotive industry.

I'm offering an unbiased response based on fact. I've owned all of the old "big" 3 brands for trucks.

Chev's continue to have driveline slop and other issues (rotor problems, a design that never changes, crap interiors);

Dodge - enough said; and Ford - ditto. My 2004 F150 Lariat 4x4 sucked large for many issues; lack of power in the 5.4, COP's, and tranny issues. They look nice, but rust like mad.

Toyota has quietly come up the rankings to where they actually, after the 2nd quarter, have taken over the #1 spot on sales. This was done on a limited number of vehicles offered with no sales gimmicks.

The other 3 domestic manufacturers have gimmicks galore, a selection of vehicles that double or triple Toyota, and powertrain warranties that exceed Toyota in some cases. So, I'm not sure why this thread has become an import manufacturer bashing.

Toyota has done nothing to warrant this, but build quality vehicles. I've also had issues with past Toyota products; Supra which required a transmission overhaul on warranty and a Celica which required a new engine. Problems do exist in all vehicles, however the trend is more so on domestics vs imports.

Blame your neighbor or co-worker for choosing a quality vehicle over a standard vehicle, which is manufactured on poor parts due to customer mandated supplier cost reductions.

I'm selling my F-150 and getting a Toyota. This is my choice which is not skewed by any reports, reviews, or comments from pro-domestic/pro-import individuals. Mine is based on experiences with the domestic market and their customer service (dealerships) - and resale of course.

"11:32 I own a Toyota, and I'm not blind. I just know it never breaks. But all of my garbage GM's and Ford's did."

Well, how about that? My experience is exactly the opposite. The one Toyota we've owned is a piece of junk that has been sitting at the garage for a couple of months, while the Chevies, Fords, and Dodges that we've owned have all been good. Your experience may lead you to believe that domestics are junk, and japanese cars are great, but my experience led me to believe the exact opposite. Go figure.

11:07, I think you hit the nail on the head.

People actually think they are doing the United States a favor by buying a U.S. built Toyota or Honda. Where do they think all of the capital goes from those purchases, the U.S.? Since when does a Japanese Company have any interest in the betterment of the U.S. If Toyota ever does have a monopoly on the U.S. auto market, which I doubt very seriously, I will just drive my Buick forever and I would probably have better reliability and comfort than the brand new Toyota.