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12:26 Thank you for proving my point. Toyota is still rated better than anything else. And yes, your beloved Buick is a fluke. Lexus has held that spot for THIRTEEN straight years, and Buick got lucky enough to get there ONCE. I think I'll stick with the company with 13 in a row.
Really, I don't have a problem with Buick. They're not a Toyota, but they're still decent other than being dull as a bowling ball to drive. Any company that doesn't make a stick shift is geared toward older people, and that's who drives Buicks. Just don't make me laugh by trying to tell me that any pathetic scrap-heap Ford or Chevy is in the same ballpark as a Toyota. That would be ridiculous.
08:42 In reality, the imports DON'T break the way you described, and the domestics DO. That is why (again, in reality!) imports ARE worth more used after a few years; because unlike a Ford or Chevy that would be a rattling, broken, leaking scrap heap, the import will still have lots of life left in it, therefore being worth more than the domestic automobile, whatever it is.
Simply look in a Kelly Blue Book at used car values and it will clearly illustrate what I've just said.
"BUICK IS EVEN WITH LEXUS in reliability."
- Ironic since the models reviewed are now Buick models that are no longer even manufactured because that platform was discontinued. Again - this report is of - read it - INITIAL quality. I don't care about initial quality. I care about long-term reliability, which even now, Buick is at the very best mediocre.
The new Buicks are built on the Zeta platform, which was entirely engineered not in the USA, but Australia. Ironic because they are about as far from being an American engineered car as a BMW these days.
To 29th Sep 2007, 18:57.
Actually you're wrong. Buick is still rated better than Toyota and Buick has the same reliability as Lexus.
And by the way Scion (another toy) is rated 3/5 stars for overal reliability. The same as chevy. :)
Adios Myth.
Price and fuel economy are car issues however function and capability are more important when buying a full size truck... otherwise a little truck and little car can accomplish your goals. The warranty is better on my Silverado and my truck rides and performs better than Tundra.
I want to add that people seem to go crazy and say well, my car is not worth anything, but I do not care since I am never going to sell it. I never hear anyone say anything about receiving money from insurance for a new vehicle. I know of people who have had GM, Fords, or Hyundai's who have gotten into accidents only to recieve payment less than half of what they owe on their loan. Even if you are a perfect driver, someone is bound to run into you.
Ford's Duratech Engine is aluminum so what is everyone complaining about?
OK, let's say Toyota is all hype and myth. They still last longer than anything else, so I guess I'd rather drive a myth than something proven to be flimsy junk over and over again, like Ford or Chevy. I'll take the company behind the myth.
14:34 Actually it is your opinion that the ride is better in the Silverado, and it is a fact that the Tundra will outperform it.
TO 10:42.
Look at the report again. It's not initial Quality. It is long term.
Tundra 0-60 mph has a slight edge if you do not grenade its transfer case in a straight line.
Silverado has nimbler and taut ride with superior steering response, better handling with stock 20" rims/Eagles vs. Tundra 18's.
On the slalom (handling) vs. straight line the Silverado is superior.
The Silverado does ride much better in my opinion; again a test drive will certainly give you a direct answer.
It's your money and I agree drive both new vehicles and pick the best one to drive. I really like my new Chevrolet dealerships Performance showroom (not a tiny parts counter next to the repair/ service dept) which has endless upgrades for performance right off the shelf and installed. I have not seen a import dealership parts dept. that even comes close.
15:16 Don't tell the Ford guys that! They still think cast iron blocks are the best choice. They are, if you're driving an air-cooled 1952 farm tractor. Did you Ford guys catch that about the Duratech? Even Ford is beginning to catch on the technology Toyota and Honda have been using for decades. Better late than never, I guess.
Toyota Camry: 1983-present. Corolla: 1966-present
Honda Accord: 1976-Present; Civic: 1972-present
The Japanese doing well other than losing the Prelude and the Celica.
Ford: LTD 1983-1986; Taurus 1986-2006; 2008 Tempo 1984-1994; Contour 1995-2000; Escort 1981-2001; etc etc etc
GM: Cavalier, Colbalt, Celebrity, Caprice, Malibu, Impala, G6, G5, LeSabre...
Looks like the domestic auto makers are known for high quality vehicles with names that have stood the test of time.
"Look at the report again. It's not initial Quality. It is long term."
In their "long-term" report, it is for 3 years... which I assume is far less than what most people actually own their cars. Again- not really much of a report if you're comparing what are essentially brand-new cars.
You hardly see Toyotas from the seventies that haven't rusted apart. I have a 38 year old Camaro SS mint condition.