2007 Toyota Tundra SR5 from North America - Off Topic Comments

23:11 that is certainly never the way to develop a long term relationship with a customer. I would expect technical expertise and excellent customer service before and after the sale even if one is not acquiring multiple new trucks as a fleet purchase. Perhaps a few simple questions on the exact applications the trucks will be utilized for would have seemed prudent in my opinion. A savvy salesperson should immediately know if the vehicles are not suitable if they do their job. I shudder when I think of some selfish salespeople that possess immediate gratification before the needs of a customer. Now the first Tundra which is almost new is already in a bad way. We have recently replaced a rear of one of our full size trucks (2003 GM) that routinely tows concrete mixers and trailers at 100,000 miles which is not as totally unacceptable as a Tundra at 1,000 miles. It will be interesting to see how and if this customer is attended to now at this late stage.

12:24 Car salesmen just want to sell cars, and none of them care about you in the long term, no matter what kind of cars they sell. Salesmen that sell Ford and Chevy products should be shamed every day that people are paying that kind of money for that poor of a product. I couldn't sleep at night. And if a Toyota breaks under the same treatment as a Ford/Chevy, then that surely is an exception to the rule.

I buy 2 new vehicles at a time and find new GM's far superior in quality and warranty. I slowly saw the service drastically diminish on my imports. Not caring I switched. I was pleasantly surprised to find only filter changes to date instead of drivetrain issues as in the past. Dealers better care if they want repeat business. Honda and Toyota may or may not miss my small amount amount of their total business every 2-3 years... my GM female salesperson has been exceptional with follow up and I have saved a lot on repairs on my imports.

21:00.

So if in the commercial, the Tundra can drop-haul 10,000 pounds, why shouldn't it be able to run with a combined weight of 10,000 pounds, in the bed and trailer?

You're basically saying its OK for a truck with 691 miles on it to severely break down? Boy, you're really something.

We bought these trucks to do one thing, WORK. HARD WORK. If they can't take the pressure after only 1000 miles or less, they are flat out JUNK. Now there's an interesting concept, huh? A Toyota, junk? Not anymore. If you want to compare different classes of vehicles for the work we do, then you must consider a Toyota Camry vs. an F-250, because that's about how our old Fords make the Tundra look. From what these trucks have shown me already, we might as well be working with Camrys, not a "tough" Tundra.

I'm growing sick of people making excuses for this brand, especially with comments like that that were made in argument for my post regarding our trucks.

This proves how biased you really are, and how quick to yelp with your tail between your legs, all because someone proved you wrong.

Well, too bad Ford, Chevy, and Dodge obviously make better built, TOUGHER trucks than Toyota ever will.

We will be getting our truck back in 3 days, so we'll see how well this one holds up.

And in correction to my last post, I accidentally put "350" instead of 250. So our trucks were NOT 350s, they're F-250s.

1717 should start shopping elsewhere or only buys vehicles rarely. I would however like to drive by my local import dealer and show them my newest all cash domestic vehicles they recently lost. If they listened to my service problems they would sleep better at night. I have twice the warranty and less repairs to date at same mileage.

This isn't a difficult argument folks... I know a few people with a few domestic vehicles who have an insane amount of miles on them, as in 150,200, and 300,000 miles or more. These people tend to be just busting at the seams with pride. Pride because indeed it is unusual for anything domestic to last beyond 120,000 miles.

On the other hand, every person in my family, all my friends, my wife, and my neighbors who own Hondas, Toyotas, and Nissans have had almost no problems with our vehicles. That goes for my 96' Tacoma with 220,000 miles, My wife's 91' Civic with 178,000 miles, The neighbor's 84' Toyota Truck with 248,000 miles, My buddy with his 78' Honda Civic with almost 500,000 miles, My mom's old 98' Avalon now owned by my mechanically negligent brother with 210,000 miles, My Aunt and her 92' Camry with 160,000 miles, My mom's old Camry, which when sold had 220,000 miles (and is still being driven by the person who bought it 5 years ago), and lastly, my co-worker's Honda Accord with 230,000 miles.

NONE of these have had any major mechanical problems. None of these have ever been in a shop for none other than little things like brakes and tires. They just run day in, day out with no issues. They just get us around- albeit perhaps not in style, but they do so for sometimes decades.

This is a far cry from the people I know who have (had) domestics... like my house mate's 91 Mercury Sable (Taurus) that blew the head gasket at 98,000 miles, My dad's 94' F-250, which at 104,000 miles somehow cracked the inatke manifold, my brother's 94' Ranger that self-destructed the transmission at 160,000 miles (hey- that one actually made it past 120k!) which was replaced with the 98' Avalon, and The 96' Buick my grandmother owned that was in the shop ALL THE TIME for air conditioner and electrical problems.

Say what you want- Imports are junk and domestics are terrific. But the truth is fairly obvious if you actually talk to people who own the cars.

13:59 Everybody knows that the imports are superior. Even the domestic owners all know it, but they'll never admit what is the truth. They just keep writing in about a Dodge truck they once heard tales about that got 300,000 miles, when just about every Honda and Toyota does this; it's to be expected. That's why well-informed people buy them.

It never matters to a domestic owner when you detail Ford or Chevy's horrible track record with cars and trucks. You can't sway them with details like facts and information. They think their Ford is the best; why? No one knows.

I'll still be driving my old Tacoma when most of the new Fords on the sales lots are rotting in the junkyard. "But what about my dad's '84 Chevy truck that he still has?" What about it? It's a piece of crap. It was when it was new, and it still is.

"13:59 Everybody knows that the imports are superior. Even the domestic owners all know it, but they'll never admit what is the truth. They just keep writing in about a Dodge truck they once heard tales about that got 300,000 miles, when just about every Honda and Toyota does this; it's to be expected. That's why well-informed people buy them.

It never matters to a domestic owner when you detail Ford or Chevy's horrible track record with cars and trucks. You can't sway them with details like facts and information. They think their Ford is the best; why? No one knows.

I'll still be driving my old Tacoma when most of the new Fords on the sales lots are rotting in the junkyard. "But what about my dad's '84 Chevy truck that he still has?" What about it? It's a piece of crap. It was when it was new, and it still is."

Well sir, what makes that '84 chevy truck a piece of crap? Where are YOUR facts to back up YOUR statements? This whole comment of yours, proves not one fact, but all to be OPINION.

Seems like you should be the one educating yourself on the difference between fact and opinion.

Pretty liberal with the word "everyone" as I know many that have left the import flock. I was one of them many years and reading the posts I see 90's vehicles which I raved about as well, but saw serious difficulties after 2000. I have bought a lot more brand new imports than the average individual and have tracked over time issues. I feel new domestics are far superior... my family has switched as well. If I kept my Legends in the 90's sure I would rave about them, but not the newer imports since. Get tired of reading about 90's vehicles when many own newer

I was on a trip with my friend and we towed an eighteen foot trailer with his 2006 F-150, towing a 1960s International 560. The engine seemed okay, but overall the truck did not seemed finished. It was just a bunch of plastic part thrown together and just reminded me of any other Ford car I drove... "fleet! Fleet! Fleet!." It is however better than the 1997 F-150 I drove before... which was a jelly bean with even worse plastic parts.

Everyone has to realize that Toyota is making big strides to make a pickup truck. And darn, after driving this F-150 XLT, I can now see why Ford is losing so much money. Hope the 2009 Ford trucks are better.

BTW I live in St. Paul and Ford is axing the plant that makes the Ranger, so it looks like they are giving up on small trucks like they do with minivans for now.

Why is an '84 Chevy truck (or any other year) a piece of crap. Look at it. Listen to it run. We're assuming here that there are a few left that haven't had 2 or 3 engine and transmission replacements or rebuilds, and didn't rot into nothing within the first 5 or 6 years, like most Chevy trucks do. Listen to it run at any rpm over 2500. That should tell you enough.

We have now digressed to 23 year old truck comments. I have had many new import and new domestic vehicles since. The only ones with sludging engine and especially multiple trans issues in our family were imports. We feel the newer domestics are far superior. I like new vehicles for advanced technology, features and certainly feel all vehicles today should have a 100,000 mile warranty. I run up 50,000 miles in a couple years.

"Why is an '84 Chevy truck (or any other year) a piece of crap. Look at it. Listen to it run. We're assuming here that there are a few left that haven't had 2 or 3 engine and transmission replacements or rebuilds, and didn't rot into nothing within the first 5 or 6 years, like most Chevy trucks do. Listen to it run at any rpm over 2500. That should tell you enough."

Again facts.

A 350 with a flowmaster exhaust sounds amazing. You are obviously tone deaf. Where is your support for saying that it "should have" had 2 or 3 transmission replacements and engine rebuilds? Where did you get that?

Perhaps you should open your eyes and ears some more, and look at all the 80's domestic trucks still driving around, in peak running condition. Because around here, in Washington, that's all there is. Here in my redneck town, you can see one of those things caked in mud or towing a trailer, and if you strike up conversation with an owner, you will find that they have made no repairs to them. Why? Because after the hell and back they've been through, they continue to run perfect. It's because their that tough.

So, we're "assuming" here that you see the complement of this, your roads being crowded by so many "rust free" 80's Toyotas?

I believe you should be the one worrying about your early Toyotas and how many are still left.

18:30, So you've had MANY imports; and NEW ones at that, recently? You obviously prefer domestic vehicles, yet you expect us to believe you've owned "many new imports"? And more than one of them had sludging problems? If any prospective Tundra buyers reading here are actually swayed into buying a domestic truck by a comment like that, then they deserve the misfortune of driving a Ford or Chevy truck.

19:31; That's all there is, huh? Mostly mid '80's Chevy trucks still running around? In 'peak' condition? Ha ha. Peak condition for Chevy is a very low 'peak'. Look, I also live in a little hillbilly town, have all my life. I see a few of these trucks around too, and I know who drives them. Gearheads; and I'm not saying 'gearhead' as an insult. Guys who love to work on trucks, and that's why there are some old Chevy's left. I have a few gearhead friends, and every time I see them, they're laying underneath their truck, or under the hood, fixing something broken. The guys with the Toyota's simply drive them, and if something breaks, it's NEVER the engine or drivetrain, usually something in the suspension from jumping the damn thing over and over.

I agree, a Flowmaster exhaust sounds nice on any V-8 you put it behind. But the 350? No. Just about everybody I know with a 350 and any amount of high miles on it has rebuilt it, or it needs rebuilt, and burns oil like a furnace. Why do you think GM parts are so cheap and plentiful for a 350? You have to work on them all the time.

As far as the rust issue goes, Toyota had major problems before 1989, after '89, they are as good or better than anything else. They salt the roads here in PA, and my 10 year old Toyota truck doesn't have so much as a speck of rust anywhere. These old Chevy's are usually so full of Bondo that a magnet won't stick anywhere on it.