2007 Toyota Tundra SR5 from North America - Off Topic Comments

Keep talking while you can about your Silverado's and F-150 sales while you can. They're in a freefall and Toyota (the #1 seller in the world, in case you didn't know that) has already embarrassed them in the car and SUV market, and now is doing so in the truck market, after making a full size truck for only a few years, compared to many decades of Ford's and Chevy's.

So what exactly do you have to brag about? Ford losing billions? GM losing millions or billions? The low quality of the two? Toyota is on top and doing better daily as those two barely hang on. Toyota owners surely have a lot more to brag about than you do, starting with driving a much better vehicle.

In the full size truck segment it seems logical to drive what professional and commercial contractors own. Applying car comments on larger trucks has no bearing. If you want a little 4 cyl mini pickup and want to compare economy over function with trucks comparing with fuel efficient cars maybe...

02:16 It should be an easy decision for anyone, but some people just can't let go of their 'American' made bias, which means nothing anymore. These are the same people whose houses are full of computers, appliances, stereo's, video games, etc., ALL made in China or Taiwan or something, but for no valid reason, buy a Ford when a Toyota that's built 10 times better is available.

Oh well, it takes all kinds to make the world go round I guess. Hope you enjoy your Toyota as much as I enjoy mine.

20:41 is comparing a 16 year old truck to a brand new one. What is up with that. I hope that the Tundra works good. Seeing it is brand new.

The Ford F-150 sales are not faltering at all. I work for a Ford dealership and we sell one or more F-series per day. The lot keeps emptying and refilling itself of new pickup trucks all the time. A few Tundra's have been traded in for F-150's. Also, a few Avalon's and brand new Camry's have been traded in for Fusions and 500's. Certain vehicles have dropped in sales, which is causing Ford's problems. Vehicles like the Explorer and Expedition are suffering because of their lack of necessity along with their gas guzzling attributes. The F-150 has never had a problem in sales and the Fusion, Taurus, and Edge are slowly making up for the drop in Crown Vic's, and SUV's.

Also, to the comment about 99% of Tundra drive-trains lasting longer: 99% of Tundra drive-trains have never been used for anything, buy satisfying egos. They were never meant to be real work trucks for farmers and construction workers, and they probably never will be. I never see one that's even dirty because all it does is sit in someone's driveway with an empty bed.

Also, I drive one of those "rare" F-150's with 288,000+ miles on the odometer. So pardon me, but I don't see the point in giving 10,000 extra dollars for a truck that's useless when I clearly can save 10,000 dollars and get 300,000 miles out of a Ford that is used to haul auto parts nearly everyday.

As for what makes a Ford, Chevy, or Dodge better than a Tundra, take a tour through the 2002 Tundra sections and read the review with 500+ comments if you want to see what a truck is really made of, and what makes the original Tundra fall short. The new Tundra is a better improvement with the exception of the 10,000 dollar extra price, the aluminum engine, and the mass of followers who don't do anything with trucks, but wussy them up because they can't handle a real truck with a real work suspension and a real work engine. It's too hard on their delicate bottoms, so they need one that feels like a car -- seems to me they really just need a car. Quit ruining trucks! Chevy and Ford would have never had to make their rides more supple if it weren't for wimps crying because they want a truck that's really just a car. Fortunately for you people, Toyota heard your cries and answered with the Tundra: a car with a bed. If anyone were going to do work with a truck, they would get a domestic, because they know these trucks were designed for the purpose of work for 100 years now. Since when has a Toyota ever been notorious for hauling multiple tons and pulling double its weight? They never try hard to target these standard attributes.

Also, if anyone believes those idiotic "demonstrations" of those Tundra's doing those magic tricks on those Toyota commercials, it just proves that you never do anything with a truck. If you did, you would know that there is no way on Earth a truck can go flying down a steep ramp and stop a 10,000 lbs trailer without jack-knifing out of control. Also, if a Tundra or any other truck had a semi-container hanging off of a cliff with a cable attached, it would be dragged over the cliff, tires screeching and all. Those commercials are really stupid, and it shows that Toyota has nothing real to show anyone, so they have to use rigged tricks to wow people. Only an idiot would floor board his truck towards a cliff and lock it up, just to hopefully get it stopped within two inches of the edge. A Peter-built semi truck would struggle to do all of these tricks.

You people will perpetuate the same argument for the rest of eternity with your Tundra's. You'll never tell of anything strenuous you've done with your truck, you'll just reiterate the same rhetoric about our trucks being crap and yours being able to stomp ours even though you physically don't have the mass and the metal to back up your big mouths. If anyone ever wanted to take their Tundra and have a ramming contest with me, I would be more than happy to do so. Do you really think your Tundra scares me or anyone else who uses a truck for its real purpose? Does it make you proud to bash your own country's products? If you are so proud that Toyota is taking over your country and making you their work-slave, then go to Japan and celebrate.

You say my Ford is crap? Well, if by "crap" you mean a truck that is built like a tank, that cost thousands less than other trucks, that can last up to 300,000 miles on its original engine, can haul over a ton in its bed without squatting, can pull double its own weight without even hindering the drive-train or brakes, then yes, my Ford is indeed "crap" and I'm proud to save money and get lots and lots of service out of it.

I'm also proud that my country and its companies, despite corporate corruption, have been able to to produce such strong vehicles that help real Americans do real work. The rest of you can continue putting on your lipstick while you drive down the road with a heavy load of milk, bread, and butter weighing your leaf springs down in the bed of your Tund-ry, uh I mean Cam-dra, woops, I mean tundra.

22:36 A little edgy aren't you? I would be too if I were a Ford salesman.

The F-150; uses gas like a tank, lasts up to 30,000 miles on the original drivetrain. You sell ONE a day, huh? Wow, I'm impressed. Considering Tundra sales went up 146% last month, the ones you sold must the only ones sold in North America last month.

The Tundra drinks gas, too. Tundra's sales would have to increase by 700% to match that of Ford. Just keep chanting so it will come true. Also, I'm not a salesman; I work in the parts dept.

08:38 Another case of 'domestic owner denial'. Toyota already outsells Ford. Maybe not every single vehicle, but overall, yes. Despite what they might tell you in the Ford parts dept., I don't need to chant anything, it's already true. I'll be sure and rush out to buy a new F-150 that runs rougher than my 10 year old Toyota and is worth half as much after 10 years.

Again, I will point out to the Toyota lover that Tundra sales are up significantly this year, but the Tundra remains soundly in last place for sales behind all of the big three offerings.

If I had only one factory building my truck, I would understand too that it is going to be behind. You domestic owners should be worried, just as Alan Mutally is and Roger Smith. These guys run the domestics and you guys sit here and not worry when they do not sleep at all.???

10:58 Again, I will remind you that Toyota is #1 in sales worldwide.

The Tundra sales are especially remarkable considering Toyota's short history of making full size trucks. They're easily on their way to taking over the truck market as they did with the car market already. I can't wait until they sell more Tundra's than Ford sells F-150's, it's coming, and fast.

I know it, and so do you, whether or not you admit it.

I kind of enjoy being called 'Toyota fanatic'. It's kind of a compliment. If someone called me a 'Ford fanatic', I'd be insulted.

Toyota's sales overall are up because everyone is rushing out to buy their little death-trap gas savers. This is what you Tundra drivers should have done to begin with instead of going out and getting a "truck". Just by buying a Tundra, you prove that you don't really need a heavy-duty work truck and it shows that you prefer a supple ride over a real work suspension. Here's a cheap solution, get one of those gas sipping death traps, too. The vehicles such as the Yaris, Corolla, some Camry's, Matrix, and Prius are what's driving their sales. The Tundra is not helping much at all. If its sales have jumped 146%, then that means they'll be selling 250,000 this year instead of a little over 100,000 this year. Good for them, but it's still not 700,000+. Yeah, F-150's drink gas like a tank, huh? Gee, I wonder if that doesn't help to prove what I was saying about them being built like a tank? I wonder why Semi-trucks drink so much diesel, is it because they're so light? No, I'm pretty sure it's because they're heavy and re-enforced. Maybe the Tundra is more fuel efficient because it's lighter; and maybe it's lighter because it is not built as strong, with a smaller frame, suspension, and weaker, less-dense metal in the engine. Could that be? Wow! What a revelation. Look, there goes the point I've been trying to make for months to you people. Now you people out there driving those tiny little light weight Toyota cars better be careful. I don't want to have a wreck with you in my F-150 while I'm racking up the miles closer and closer to 300,000 (I'm only 11,000 miles away and the engine never refuses to turn over.) I'm sure the carnage wouldn't be pretty. Don't block the passing lane. I know how you old ladies like to crawl in your Camry's.

21:38 So your F-150 is heavy and drinks a lot of gas? That's a plus. It's built 'Ford tough'? That must be why every other one I see more than 8 years old looks like a twisted piece of crap. Must be from hauling popcorn or something.

I can actually get my Tacoma airborne a foot or two off-road, and it doesn't even go out of alignment. Try that in your F-150 and it'll be laying there in pieces after the first attempt. I'll believe 300,000 miles just as soon as I'll believe 3 million. If it does have 300,000, then you're probably on the second engine and third transmission.

Stay out of the passing lane? A Camry would beat your truck in a half mile race by a quarter mile driving in reverse.

So Toyota makes better engines huh. I guess that's why the modular V8 in the F-150 wins so many awards and why the Tundra 5.7's are having to be recalled for engine defects. I also here that F-150's need a new drive-train after 30,000 miles. Well that is just pure ignorance, as I work for an engineering company that uses F-150's and they aren't sent off to the auction until around 200,000 miles and almost none of them need to, or have had, their drive-trains replaced.

Very well said 22:36. Unfortunately, you'll never be able to convince the Toyota people. They are just going to have to go out and buy Tundra's and one-by-one have them fall apart before their eyes before they get it. Too bad our economy will suffer in the process. But of course that probably makes the Toyota faithful happy.

By the way, Toyota setting up plants in this country is not doing us any favors. In most cases Toyota was given the land, and does not have to pay taxes. Do American companies get those kind of favors... NO! They just get people who should be on their side nit-picking them to death, while their foreign competitors can turn out any kind of garbage (Tundra...) they like while those same people give them a pass.

Japan inflates the value of Japanese goods in their own country, sticking it to their own people in the short term, so they can cover selling their products in this country at reduced prices, to stifle sales of American goods in the USA, destroy those effected industries, and bring down our economy in the long term. They have been waging economic war on us for years, and you Toyota lovers are playing right into their hand. Of course I may admittedly be going out on a limb for having the notion that this might even bother some of you.

Once the Japanese's plan is complete, and the American auto industry is dead (God forbid), they will be the only game in town, and you will be at their mercy for them to not pay third world wages at their plants you love so much, and charge $30,000+ for a compact car. This is what you are enabling when you buy a Toyota. Just keep cheering on the demise of the American auto industry, and the colonization of our country by the Japanese, and see what happens.

For the record, this is nothing against the Japanese people, just their government, and our own government for letting them get away with it. As far as people who buy Toyota's are concerned, I'm sorry, but you should know better.