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22:18 Well, by the logic of most of the Ford and GM owners on this site, those reliability ratings don't matter. When it was nothing, but Japanese cars on the top, all of those magazines were 'biased', or accepting ad money from Toyota and being bribed, or were just plain wrong. So I guess Buick and Lincoln must now be coughing up money to bribe somebody to put their junk on the list? Which is it? Pick one. Either the ratings are accurate, which would mean that Japanese cars have historically dominated in reliability (which most of us already know is true), or those magazines are crooked and inaccurate, which means that those couple of domestics now on the list are simply paying them off to get a rating that doesn't mean anything. Which is it? You lose either way. Just about everyone knows that Toyota and Honda have always made the better product and still do.
22:18 Wrong. Your information is inaccurate. Here are actual facts:
Toyota and Honda do at least as well and roughly 90% of the time do better than the Big 3. I looked at 3 categories: overall quality, overall mechanical quality, and powertrain quality:
Overall quality: Lexus, 5 stars, Honda and Toyota, 4 stars, Ford and GM 3 stars, and Dodge/Chrysler only 2 stars. Toyota and Honda are best overall, as always, and as most of us already know.
Overall mechanical quality: Lexus 5, Toyota/Honda 4, Ford and GM 3, Dodge 2.
Powertrain quality: All of the above get 3 stars except for Dodge with only 2.
Lexus simply slaughters domestics, and Toyota and Honda are above them in almost every category, most importantly overall quality.
17th Nov 2007, 22:18.
So you believe Toyota being in 3rd place and Honda in 1st place magically bring 13th place Ford dead even with the best? I think that is a bunch of fuzzy math.?
I am pretty impressed with GM especially the Z06 engine. 0-60 under 4 seconds... the Toyota Twin Turbo Supra was decent. Guess I am bored with ho hum sedans especially the wallowy Lexus.
Wow lets sell a Tundra and buy a Honda pickup... sorry Ford Full Size Pickups are number 1 in the USA in this segment. How about going over to the car section and debating this.
You Ford and Chevy owners better try something else other than misquoting JD Power to convince people that Ford's and Chevy's aren't junk. Look at their 'large pickup' reliability ratings. The Tundra tops the list as the only award winner and has a 5 star rating. Oh, and if you look at ANY other catergory, Toyota and Honda reign supreme, as expected. In fact, in the small car category, the Civic and Corolla both get 5 stars, while no one else even gets 4 stars. Oops, try again.
13:13 The F-150 is a decent truck, but no Ford product has reached the level of quality that Toyota has been manufacturing at for years.
The Z06 is not a truck and it is not a four door sedan. I do not know what has gotten into the guy who thinks that we should get rid of our reliable 4 door sedans and buy a Corvette. Let alone buy a truck.
I like 100,000 mile warranties vs. risking that all vehicles are exactly the same pertaining to any quality concerns.
13:12 GM's 100,000 mile warranty is a sales ploy and nothing more. ANY new car will probably get to 100,000 without a whole lot of trouble. Then you're out of warranty. Buy the Toyota and drive trouble free to 2 or 300,000, or buy the garbage GM and be screwed after 100,000. Whichever you like.
Yeah my Honda's 7 year 100,000 mile warranty tops GM's 5 year 100,000 mile warranty. I know what you mean. A good warranty brings peace of mind and that is why I have an already reliable car with a great warranty.
16:38 true... He may still be paying off the loan for the Toyota with hopes that his new domestic will not cost so much in the long run with repairs. That's what we did and have a better long term warranty.
It is sad that some people would skimp on quality, not care about having a car that is well built just to have a good warranty. I would never buy a new car alone on warranty. There is only a sliver of new GM cars I would actually buy because they have improved, but come on guys! Most of their cars are not up to snuff. If you really want a decent car and warranty, but a warranty occupies 90% of your brain, then I would buy a Hyundai.
I drive 100,000 miles in less than 4 years. What to do? I will never buy another Honda/Acura...and have major drivetrain issues.
19:27, Most Americans who buy a car brand new are going to trade it in long before 100,000 miles rolls over. If you want to drive the same car for 200-300,000 miles, that's your prerogative, but you are definitely in the minority.