2005 Alfa Romeo 147 GTA 3.2 V6

Summary:

147 GTA with Q2 - Probably the best your money can buy!

Faults:

I have owned the car for just under a year, covering around 13,000 miles. I have been all over the country and in some cases doing around 9-10 hours of solid driving without any problems. I have however had the following problems:

When I brought the car it began misfiring shortly after I collected it. It was later diagnosed to be water on the ignition coils. The most likely cause of this was the stupidity of the dealer who sold me the car jet washing the engine. It was all sorted out within a few hours at the main dealer.

The gear linkage was loose and there was no block to stop you crunching reverse gear when moving forward. This was resolved under warranty.

A few months after the original misfire the car began to loose power briefly when driving, particularly at speed. I thought there could be an ECU problem. It however turned out that the electrical terminals were damaged (which I believed happened when the misfired was resolved). This was again resolved under warranty.

The driver side electric window switch is temperamental.

The drive side heated seat button no longer works.

After around 9 months of ownership the front differential exploded and destroyed the clutch and gearbox. Apparently this is quite common in the GTA. I was fortunate I had taken out an extended warranty (the Alfa warranty expired about 3 weeks previously) so I got all parts replaced. Alfa also gave me £250 towards an up-rated limited slip differential as an act of goodwill too. The total cost was just over £3,000 so be warned!

General Comments:

INTRODUCTION.

This car is absolutely phenomenal and I very much doubt I will ever sell it. Firstly there is the look of the thing. It is pearlescent white and beautifully styled. Everywhere I go with it people look on in admiration. It is a very tasteful car so you don’t get any disapproving looks (which you might get in a more aggressive looking Astra VXR or Focus RS).

The speed is also amazing. I am not joking here, you can give the likes of supercars a scare. In gear this thing is very very fast and if they want to get away from it they have to really try hard! When put up against the lesser hot hatches it is hilarious. Take the current Golf GTI, it may as well be going backwards! – Of course the GTI is about 50bhp worse off.

These cars are very rare. I believe there were only around 300 registered in the UK. To put that into perspective there are well over 800 Clio V6’s in the UK and how often do you see those?

INTERIOR.

The interior is beautifully crafted and offers comfortable support to your backside even when you are sitting down for the best part of 10 hours straight. None if it has fallen to bits yet either!

Q2 DIFFERENTIAL UPGRADE (LIMITED SLIP FRONT DIFF) – AROUND £500.

The handling is quite reasonable without it, but with the Q2 it is incredible! I have only had it back a short while, but can sum it up like this. Without the Q2 you always have this nagging feeling it will under steer down a twisty B road, mostly because you can feel it slipping ever so slightly as the traction control systems attempt to keep it on the road. With the Q2 there is virtually no give! It just follows the line you pointed it at. The only other car I drove which was this precise was the Clio 197, which if you know anything about is one of the best handling cars you can get. It isn’t quite as good as the Clio as the chassis and suspension are still not the best. At high speed down a bumpy road it still feels a little wobbly, but I doubt the majority of the competition is any better. I now feel confident to drive with the traction control off. Corners are now something I seek out rather than long straights!

RUNNING COSTS.

You can get 30mpg on a long run. The downside is that you can’t behave long enough to get those figures. I usually average 25-26mpg doing long runs with some town driving. On a commute it is therefore not bad, but hit any traffic and those figures can plummet to 20mpg or less!

Insurance is also a huge cost. Last year I paid around £1,200, this year with a multi-car policy it is something like £900. However, I have now brought a second car for work so the Alfa is insured for 3,000 miles per year rather than 15,000.

Tyres are expensive. You need to budget at least £100 per corner. Don’t buy cheap rubbish if you want to stay on the tarmac and out of the trees!

Road tax is going to be ridiculous next year - Over £400. It is extortionate and a sign of the complete uselessness of the current government.

OVERALL.

This car, with the Q2 diff fitted is probably one of the best affordable fast cars you can buy. The only competition I can see being faster would be the new Focus Rs (300bhp), Clio V6 MK2, latest Audi S3 and Latest Golf R32. The German cars are a little common though so you won’t want those. The Clio is like a baby supercar so very exciting to own, but has no boot or back seats so not suitable for everyone. The Focus is a bit boy racer (which isn’t a bad thing but I bet PC Plod will like pulling them over). You could go for the Subaru or Evo alternatives but the Scooby is sinfully ugly and the Evo is a bit too technical. Both may be quick but they won’t stir you soul like an Alfa GTA!

All of the above will also be subject to higher road tax next year and will in many cases cost more to run in other areas (tyres and parts?) Some will depreciate less but remember the 147 GTA is very very rare so demand will keep prices reasonable.

This leaves you with one choice: the 147 GTA. If you can put up with it having a few niggles, you will be very happy with one.

Would you buy another car from this manufacturer? Yes

Review Date: 7th September, 2008

14th Apr 2010, 18:04

It makes other cars in its class look silly; cars such as the Focus mk1 RS, Clio 197, Astra VXR, Focus ST, Golf GTI, CTR ep3. I think you will find most if not all of these beat it around the Top Gear track.

30th Aug 2010, 01:34

Ah, but that was without a Q2 diff.

2005 Alfa Romeo 147 GTA 3.2 V6

Summary:

A car of compromise, but if you overlook the faults it is a real gem!

Faults:

I had to take it to the dealer because the stupid useless dealer I brought it from steam cleaned the engine and got water on the coils. NOT the cars fault.

General Comments:

147 GTA.

FIRST IMPRESSIONS.

I have only had my GTA for about 3 weeks, but I am very happy with it.

There is a lot of information out there, and it seems it is either very positive or very negative. Basically everyone is BIASED.

From my relatively short ownership I believe the truth lies somewhere in the middle. While the car is not a fantastic drive, it isn’t rubbish. There is certainly scope for improvement, but that is the case for most cars. What you have to realise with the 147 is that it is not a hot hatch in the same way as the Clio or Civic are. It is more of a muscle car.

Your conventional hot hatch is designed to provide a good balance of everyday usability and performance. The majority of this performance is extracted from decent suspension and brakes. These allow you to maximise the power on tap. These cars will usually have more power than there standard brothers and sisters, but most will still only do 0-60 in around 7 seconds.

What you have with the Alfa is a different sort of car. It has not been designed for performance. It has been designed to be a baby supercar. As a result it won’t be practical in everyway or the best drive. It has some compromises.

The main issue is of course the handling. The electrics do a very good job of countering this, especially in the dry. In the wet they do struggle - As noted by a controllable amount of understeer! Over the last few weeks I have gotten used to its behaviour and it does feel better. There is a surprising amount of grip there, but it takes a while to feel confident to use it. I think it is the quick steering which causes this. Because I’m not used to it, it does feel a little unnatural.

The other issue is the turning circle. I test drove one and the dealer said the turning circle is fine. YOU ARE A LIAR!!! It is not the end of the world, but it is a pain. I cannot get into my driveway without taking a couple of swings. I have never had to do this before. Even with big cars and vans. Tight car parks such as supermarkets car parks can also be difficult to navigate. Some times you need to back up a bit to get a wide enough swing on those 90 degree turns. You then get the feeling everyone thinks you can’t drive.

Lastly the fuel economy. Trust me it is bad. I average about 20mpg and honestly I don’t drive it hard that often. I can get 99mpg on the motorway (going down hill with the throttle released) and usually average about 33mpg on motorway runs. I am thinking about getting the LPG conversion done, as the cost of LPG is half that of petrol. In other words it would be like having a 40-50mpg 3.2 V6!

Anyway I am thrilled to bits with it. I will update this review over time - Maybe do another one when I have a had a better chance to get to know it. I would happily recommend the car to anyone who wants a fun alternative to an Evo or Scooby (Brilliant drives, but seriously naff). Like I have said, you will have to compromise, it is not to everyone's taste, but it has really character and makes you smile!

Would you buy another car from this manufacturer? Yes

Review Date: 28th November, 2007

29th Nov 2007, 04:00

A truly excellent report - unbiased and gets the point of this site completely.

The 147 GTA is an acquired taste, and I test drove one and was hooked - as you say it is not as complete a package as other hot hatches, but is in a different league of desirability.

It really is like a supercar hatchback, but more like a supercar than a hatchback-utterly engaging, intoxicating, impractical, scary maintenance, depreciation etc etc.

One thing you have is my respect; only a true petrolhead would buy this in favour of the competition. The 147 GTA is a deeply desirable car, but you have to be committed to own one.

I chickened out two years ago and bought a motorbike instead-but I have moved house since and one of my neighbours owns the actual car I test drove (red 04 plate, black/brown leather). Every time I see the car, I get strong feelings of elation from the experience I had driving it, strong regret for not buying it and a sense of relief that I kept the money!!

This has to be one of the best cars of all time-not as a complete package - but as a true drivers car, a total classic and a car worthy of carrying the Alfa badge.

I think what haunts me is that emotion I got from the GTA, was the same I got from a Maserati GT. Other people compare it to Golfs and R26s. WRONG!!

If you think of it as a practical, budget (!) Ferrari or Maserati, it makes perfect sense.

I am so jealous!!!