24th Sep 2008, 11:23

0-60 in 7 seconds and 140 mph in a 130 bhp car (or even 140 bhp car as you all seem to think they have a higher output).

It's just not gonna happen is it? A ZR 160 is much the same weight with more power and can't achieve those figures, so why will the Punto?

I don t doubt it's a nippy car, but calling it a beast and a rocket etc is just over the top, it's nothing more than a cheap, nippy run around!

25th Sep 2008, 09:06

I don t quite understand your comment, as 7 seconds to 60 and 140 mph are not the manufacturer's figures. The manufacturer's are far from these, and a lot more realistic at (depending where you read) anywhere from 8.2-8.6 to 60 and 125-130 ish top speed. The standard car will not better these times!!

26th Sep 2008, 04:18

Well I think that some of you have never even bean in an HGT, and definitely don't have one, because you would not say it's not fast.

I made the 0-60 comment, and no I'm not a boy, I'm 34 and don't need to boast. Like I said, its just that fast because it is. If you don't think it is, then go on youtube and see with your own eyes!!!

26th Sep 2008, 07:26

OK boys and girls, let's say you have an HGT and it says that the top speed is 127mph, but it really is more like 135-140mph.

Look at a Fiesta Turbo; standard it will do Ford says 128mph, but we all know a Fiesta RS Turbo will do 130-140 mph standard, so go figure.

26th Sep 2008, 07:33

If you are on about power to weight ratio, then how come a Clio Cup 172 has the same as a Lotus Elise, but is much slower???

I have a Civic-Type-R, and I know the HGT is a very good car, and have beaten about 3 or 4 in the last 2 years, but I had to give it my best to win!!

Don't confuse this car for the Sporting 1.2 16v - BIG mistake.

26th Sep 2008, 10:27

The Elise is only quicker to 60 due to gearing; past 90 the Clio will haul ass. The Elise runs out of puff at 120mph.

26th Sep 2008, 13:35

The Lotus Elise and the Clio are nothing like comparing a Rover 200 Vi and Punto HGT, as both (supposedly) have 140bhp and weigh the same. Unlike the Clio and the Elise.

Power to weight on them may be the same, but the low weight means the Elise runs away low down, with the Clio having more pull top end due to sheer power, so that wasn't a valid comparison.

26th Sep 2008, 14:00

A Clio 172/182 has similar power to weight to the 120 bhp Elise, and isn't "much slower" as the Elise is quicker off the mark due to its low weight, and the Clio will have better top end speed, due to its higher horse power!

A Fiesta Turbo will not do 130-140 mph standard, as it's only 130 bhp and would need more power to achieve those speeds; same as the HGT. Don't believe the speedo, as they're very inaccurate at higher speeds.

The HGT is in the same league as a VTS, and has similar build quality and reliability, and has the same type of owners with their overblown claims!

If you think about it, how's it gonna do 0-60 in 7 seconds? It has a power to weight of 127 per ton; a Clio 172 is around 165 per ton and hits 60 in 7 seconds. Why would the Punto achieve the same time with less power?

29th Sep 2008, 04:11

You say the HGT is the same as a VTS. You give a site to let us see, and hey it says the Saxo has 130bhp and the Punto has 127bhp LOL LOL LOL.

It says the HGT does a 1/4 mile in 16 sec. When you go to the dragstrip, you will see any Punto HGT get in the low 15s, so what are you on about.

29th Sep 2008, 04:13

Did you lot know about torque? The Punto has 165 and that's more than an RX8.

29th Sep 2008, 14:30

A standard Punto won't do low 15s. A Civic Type R etc with an average driver will only do low 15s. So to answer your question - what you on about?

An HGT is obviously similar to a VTS; most people will tell you the VTS is the quicker of the two. I really don't see why you're trying to make out that the car's far more than it is?

If it's not in league with a VTS etc, what do you think it's comparable to? Ferraris, Lambos?

That web site is very accurate. If you compare most the 0-60 times etc to the manufacturers figure, they're either dead on or with in a few tenths.

30th Sep 2008, 03:32

"Did you lot know about torque? The Punto has 165 and that's more than an RX8."

Did you know about bhp. The RX8 has 228, which is a lot more than the Punto.

30th Sep 2008, 07:14

This is pointless, you're trying to say that the HGT is good or bad. Please don't say anything unless you have one, because if you did then you would know that it most definitely is in the same league as the Clio 172, the Mini Cooper S, Fiesta Turbo, Escort Turbo, Fiesta ST. But a Saxo? You lot are mad to think the HGT is not as good. When and where did you ever see a Saxo beating a Punto at anything???

30th Sep 2008, 07:23

I have a Mini Cooper S and it defo does 0-60 in 7 seconds and 140mph. One of my girlfriend's friends has a Punto HGT, and she is a nutter behind the wheel. I have read some of the things on this site, and it makes me LOL that you think it's so slow, because I know for a fact it will do 0-60 in 7 seconds, because she keeps up with me in my Mini?

30th Sep 2008, 10:31

Sorry to burst your bubble, but a Mini Cooper S won't do 60 in 7 seconds either; at best seven and a half!

The Cooper S isn't that amazing speed wise in standard trim. The John Works variants are more brisk, but I can believe the HGT would stay with it at lower speeds at least, as their power to weight ain't miles apart.

I still can't understand why you think the Punto is in league with the Clio sports etc, as they weigh similar to the Punto, but have an extra 40-50 bhp, which is a lot on these sort of powered cars!

Just explain to me what wizardry the Punto has that makes it faster than all similar cars with similar power and weight:

Eg a VTS, with a little less power, but about 100 kg lighter, will only do 60 in 7.7 and around 130 being generous.

A Rover 25 GTI, the same weight, more power at 143 bhp, will do 60 in 7.8 and top speed low 130s.

A Corsa 1.8 SRi, much the same power and weight, 0-60 8 seconds and again 130 being generous.\

Even the ZR 160, which weighs the same yet has around 20-30 more bhp, will only hit 60 in 7.4 and top out at around 136-137, and the Clio Sports you mentioned, which as I mentioned has around 40-50 bhp more, are only 6.9-7.1.

So why will the Punto out do all these similar cars, and match all these cars that should be quicker, given their far superior power to weight - please. I'm really interested to find out about the magic of the Punto!!