1st Jul 2007, 06:50

I would definitely go for the Focus. I own a 2000 2.0 esp a Bluefin chip costs £400 and 0-60 is easily done in 8.4. It outperforms all the Civics except the Type r, but the handling is the Focus' party piece. It is one of the best handling hatches on the market; miles better handling than the Type R. And I do know, my twin brother has a Type R, and down country roads and roundabouts he can't keep up.

1st Jul 2007, 18:05

The Focus was not the best seller, and it appeared as reliable as the Contour's did at debut. That is not acceptable for any car to be this poor in reliability or build quality like the Focus was. A big no no.

2nd Jul 2007, 09:54

Any 1.6 would beat the Focus; the Type R would demolish it. I have a 1.6 vti, 94 model, and it does 60 in 7.2 seconds... I don't think your Focus would keep up.

2nd Jul 2007, 12:40

Don't think your 94 Civic would keep up with my 2006 Astra VXR? And they weren't even discussing that era of Civic; they were talking about 99 onwards when the Focus came into production. And that's besides the point, they weren't talking about the top model, the review wasn't about a Type R, nor were any of the comments about the Focus' top model. So if you really want to go there, the Focus RS would beat any Civic that's ever been made both on acceleration and handling.

3rd Jul 2007, 03:45

Where did the Astra VXR come from? It may be quick, but it's a Vauxhall at the end of the day.

The discussion is about a Civic and a Focus, and by the way, around a track the Civic Type R is quicker than the Focus RS. Do your research.

5th Jul 2007, 11:45

I have done my research thanks. On Top Gear and Fifth Gear, the Focus RS was faster then the Civic Type R. And the reason I mentioned my VXR is because that guy mentioned his old banger 1.6 vti as if he had something better; as if he has a good car, when nobody was talking about the vti. That's why I mentioned the VXR; just as someone could now say to me that they own an M3 or whatever.

6th Jul 2007, 04:23

The banger 1.6 vti would last a lot longer than your unreliable Astra VXR. I've seen examples with over 200 000 on the clock still going strong. By the way, have a look at the new Civic Type RR; it's got 260bhp, don't think your Astra would keep up with that.

6th Jul 2007, 04:25

You need to watch fifth gear again, cos Tiff needle said that the 182 and civic type r were about a second quicker around the track than the focus RS.

7th Jul 2007, 07:57

I nearly fell of my chair laughing at that last comment. The new Type R only has 198 bhp and a 0-60 time of 6.6 seconds, so no it wouldn't be beating the VXR; and as for reliability, as far as I'm concerned it will be perfect during my ownership, and in two years I will get rid of it. Why on earth would I want to keep a car until it does 200k miles when I can sell my VXR in 2 years and buy the new BMW M? If you can afford a better car, you get a better car.

8th Jul 2007, 13:19

OK, then go on youtube, type in focus rs vs civic type r, and just watch the Focus beat the Type R, and Tiff's exact words are "the Focus RS is definitely the hottest of the hot around a track". And on Top Gear, the Focus was a lot faster than the Type R.

9th Jul 2007, 14:03

But I'm sure the version in this country has 198 bhp. Why think about one on the other side of the world; it's not here and you can't buy one, so forget it.

And as for needing a turbo; who cares how cars get power as long as they get it. You could say Honda need to use a v-tec to get power, but who cares? The fact is about 6 years ago the Civic Type R was king of the hot hatches, but now it has been left behind the Astra VXR, Focus RS, Focus ST, Golf r32, Audi S3, and Renault Megane, which are all faster.

The new Type R was a waste of time; it's not an improvement on the old one; no faster, in most people's opinion not better looking, and the interior is horrible. It was a huge disappointment.

10th Jul 2007, 15:28

I'm gonna import one, for example the dc5 Integra was made for the japanese market. They are here, therefore so will the Civic. Can't wait to dust the VXR.

10th Jul 2007, 17:12

It's not all about straight line speed; the VXR has dreadful handling, a dc5 Integra would spank the VXR both in a straight line and around the track.

Autocar did a hot hatch test; the VXR didn't get past the first round.

11th Jul 2007, 12:56

I've seen that Autocar thing on youtube, and it was completely unreliable. For a start the Golf GTI went through, and the Golf r32 didn't. What's that all about LOL.

3rd Feb 2008, 14:38

What on earth have the last page+ worth of comments got to do with commenting on a review of a honda civic executive...??!