Only the bug eye Scooby had 215 bhp, and the 0-60 for the Cossie was nowhere near 5.1, more like 6.5.
I've been a mechanic for 14 years and I know my stuff. The Cosworth can do that. It's always been faster. When have you ever seen or heard a Scooby over 600bhp. I have a Sierra Cossie at 700bhp.
I'm puzzled. One says 0.60 time of a Cossie is 5.1 seconds, wrong, 0.60 6.6 seconds, wrong.
I've looked all over google and most websites say the 0.60 time for the Cossie is 5.7 seconds and 155mph, and 5.9 for the Scooby at 149 mph.
You're not far from the truth. The Cossie only just beats the Scooby. Anywats I have a car that can beat both of them, a Lotus Carlton which does 0.60 in 5.1 seconds at 315bhp.
For the guy on the 3rd of March, the most powerful Scooby I've seen had over 1000 bhp, still with a 2.5 ltr engine, it was a drag weapon. And there are plenty more 600, 700 bhp ones out there.
True the Scooby can reach that power, but I've heard that Cossies are currently at 1300bhp, which is more than a Bugatti Veyron, which is the fastest car in the world.
The Veyrons gearbox could take that power, but there's no point tuning that car as it is one of the quickest cars ever.
Scoobys are rubbish. I've had one (tuned), but now I have a factory RS500 and it can pull away faster than my old K reg Scooby. They're just rubbish compared to an RS500.
If you had a K reg WRX, it must have been the JDM car, they come with 260 bhp and are about the same weight as the old 204 bhp Sierra, so even standard it would be quicker, yours was probably faulty.
I'm talking about a, RS500, which has 250hp and is lighter than a Saxo VTR.
An RS 500 at 204hp, don't make me laugh, Ford claimed 250hp and 0-60 5.9 in seconds, but it and the Sapphire were tested and the results were 5.6 sec for the RS 500, and 5.8 for the Sapphire.
Lighter than a saxo VTR? How heavy do you think a VTR is?
The RS500 weighs 1207kg. Check out this web site that shows all the specs of the car:
Standard figures for the Ford Sierra 500 are a kerb weight of just over 1200kg and for a Saxo VTR 920kg or a VTS is slightly more at 965kg. A Google search or look in the owners manuals confirms this.
208 STI? No that would be the turbo 2000. STI's have 265-300 bhp, depending on year.
It's an STi 208hp 1992, and my RS500 was 920kg with 250hp. factory
Already been stated the RS500 is 1207kg!!! Unless your car went on a very strict diet it did not come out the factory weighing less than a ton.
There has never been a 208 bhp STI, you are wrong.
You are definitely wrong on both counts. Just Google it instead of reiterating what you already said. More than one site says the RS500 has a kerb weight of over 1200kg, and I cannot find any that give the same figure as you suggest.
I meant 962kg and there was an STi at 208 hp. I know my cars, I've been a mechanic for 12 years.
By the way I'm talking about an mk1 Scooby STi.
Well I can't be sure about the Sierra, except to say that even the old Cortina's were heavier than that, so it's hard to see how a Sierra could be lighter, much lighter! But I do know my Subaru's, I've owned them for 5 years and the mk1 STI (1993) had 276 bhp, mk1 WRX had 240 bhp, then 260 post 1995, these being the JDM cars. We only had the turbo 2000 in Britain at this time, which had 208 bhp.
Cossies in there day were faster than Imprezas, but they have moved on. Cossies are still not far behind, but like I said they have moved on.
But once again Ford strikes back; a 310hp
Focus RS twin turbo, nice, and also Ford are planning to make a more powerful Ford, a Mondeo Cosworth. Go and check google for this.
An STi at 208 hp, don't make me laugh, an average STi mk1 has about 225hp, the same as an Escort Cossie. In my opinion I'd rather have an Sapphire Cossie; just as fast for a lot less.
Scoobies and Evo's haven't moved on? What planet have you been on the last 15 years? Every time they test the new ones on top gear they just keep getting faster round their track. I'd love to see what time a Sapphire Cossie would post round their track now against a new-ish Scooby or Evo, it would be left in their wake.
Right, Evos and WRXs haven't moved on much. In the early 90s Evos and WRXs had about 230-240 bhp, about the same as an Escossie. Now the Evo and the WRX have about 300bhp - not much, 60 bhp.
I'm talking about handling technology.
Handling is for people who cannot drive. 4wd Cossies handle just a good as a computer mad Scooby.
Isn't that still a 20% hike? Seems like a lot to me...
It's all well and good appreciating a car for being amazing and ahead of its time, but you have to keep it realistic when comparing it with modern technology.
I've been told by a few people in the RS owners club that the 4wd Cossie can handle just as good modern cars. And in my opinion my 2wd Cossie handles well, but I've never really driven a new Scooby WRX, only a 2001 215bhp model; I didn't like it really.
"Handling is for people who can't drive" What sort of comment is that? Good handling flatters poor drivers and makes good drivers even better.
This will go on and on. I'm 33 and my dream has always been a Cossie, but now in the position to buy a good Sapphire for about 10k, I keep getting drawn on the Evo, don't know what to do. It's only a weekend car and the Cossie will only increase in value, other option is M3 e36, any advice would help.
If it's going to be a weekend car for fun, buy a Cossie. If it's an every day car, buy an Evo. The Evo's more reliable, but the Cossies are more fun and they hold their value better much better!
If it is a weekend car for blasting around to enjoy a pure fun driving experience, then get an Elise or better yet a VX220. Those things are proper fun go-karts, although getting in and out is a task in itself, LOL.
Have you ever heard of Sierra 304R Cosworth, the ultimate Sierra, 150 bhp per liter vs 112 bhp per liter on a normal 4x4 Cossie. This has enough grunt to keep up with a Scooby any day. This car has 300bhp stock.
They're mint, those 304r Rouse Sports. Only 97 ever made. They were lux wood trim, electric windows, sunroof, seats, A/C, heated seats, trc mint.
Some people forget how rapid Cossies are after 20 odd years, they're still rapid to today's standards. 224bhp will get you somewhere; a WRX Impreza mk1 has 240bhp, not much difference.
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