The new civic is a let down. I like Honda cars, but I think they should have made it faster and more powerful. What's the point putting the same engine into a heavier car. Honda need to get their act together, they have lost the hot hatch crown.
The only crown renault have got is for the worst reliability, when the type r first came out it outclassed all the rivals.
"They never had the hatch crown. Renault did!"
Erm no, the old Type R was in a diferent league than the 182, and the figures back this up.
Type R 0-60 6.6 top speed 147.
182 0-60 7.1 top speed 182.
And don't even start me on the differences in build quality and reliability between them. Anyway, my Astra Vxr would eat both of them. I honestly think from 60-100, it could be twice as fast as the Clio.
The Clio 182 Cup is widely regarded as the best hot hatch of recent times. The Honda couldn't and still can't match its handling and feel. Build quality is a bit crap, but if driving experience is your main concern, the Honda is definitely second best.
The 197 has gone the same way as the new Type R though. Too fat and the engine too weedy to cope. Neither are a patch on their predecessors. Best hot hatch of the moment would be a toss up between the Golf GTI and Focus ST. Both fabulous cars.
And yes I've driven all these - I'm not working from magazine reviews. The Clio 182 Cup is a fantastic car.
The 182 was never regarded as the best hot hatch, and the Focus ST/Golf GTi aren't the best hatches on the road; that's the Astra VXR. The Golf GTI isn't even a hot hatch. "0-60 takes 7.2 seconds, there are animals faster than that" Jeremy Clarkson's words and I agree.
p.s The top speed for the 182 is 138, which is a joke.