Very good argument. you really know your cars. you are also very correct. I own a 93 1.5 vt i civic and believe me my car has beaten BMW's and Lexus's off the lights and all through the gears. it has a 131bhp and the flywheel and even though I'm used to the power (looking for an integer vt i), I will never forget the fun and memory's from this car. Brian in cork.
I have to agree on the vti's engine size. It is the B16A as my registraion document quite clearly says so. They produce 160BHP and no torque. If you are after torque an Calibra V6 would probably be a better choice. If you however want an anonymous car that will not attract attention and drives like a racing car then this is the one for you. I would stress again that you have to be a maniac to own one of these, nailing the throttle is the only way!
The civic VTi is a very good car, however I feel Honda slightly missed the 'point and shoot' factor of a 'Hot Hatch'. The vtec engine needs to be worked far too hard to get the car going, and the vtec scream becomes annoying after a while. Also the civic does 0-60 in just under eight seconds not seven. The prelude vtec, a much faster car, only does 0-60 in 7 seconds. Infact the 205 gti, Astra GTE and the clio 16v all compare favorably to the VTi in performance terms. And for whoever thinks a Civic VTi is faster than a Subaru Impreza must have that vtec scream ringing in their head.
Honda Vtec engines sacrifice Torque, fuel economy and weight in the quest for BHP/l. In the end its just better to use a larger displacement motor to get the power. For example compare the 1.6 vtec engine to the 2.0L Astra GTE 16v lump. Both produce similar power and economy, but the Astra has none of the lack of torque drawbacks and therefore is simply a better engine to have.
My name is Tommy, I'm 20 and I drive a Honda Civic VTi.
I think that the car is perfect in any way.
Performance: 158/hp at 7600rpm. and it does run 7.2 sec (0/100) and runs 15.7 at1//4 mile. There is no other car like it. And if it's not enough for you, spend 2500$ on a turbo.
Comfort: This car is not about comfort, it's not about luxury (it's about power). If you want something smooth, buy a 4 door car.
Handling: The VTi with the double bunk wishbones, coil springs, longitudinal arms, and with the transversal arms, it makes a very good handling car.
I like the car, I think it's a good machine (and I like the car, not for the comfort or the handling. I love it for the power!!!) It's faster than GTi's/RS Turbos, that's it. :))
I like the look of the Civic (Not the newer version with crap lights). The power is great, but the revs are too high. that's the only reason stopping me from getting one. Apart from that it's awesome.
Get real, a 15.7 quarter mile is right around 85 mile's a hour. So how can it go 0 to 100 in 7.2, when in the quarter it only goes 85 or so???
Going over a lot of comments on this car, people obviously love them, but you can't use maths to win races, no matter what you add up a WRX will leave you behind, from the lights or on a roll. There are too many grey areas to be explained by maths alone, the whole car and the sum of all its parts, and the resulting race of course is what matters.
I have a 94 4 door VTi, I have raced Audi TT's and kept up with them, this car is awesome, it's so discreet and goes like a bullet, I would never sell this car, awesome machine.
The car just screams when in vtec.
As far as I am aware double clutching literally needs you to put the clutch in twice. I don't see how this would make you go quick since you would have to take more time when changing gears? Or is the way that I am thinking wrong?
Nope, you're spot on. The person who wrote the comment about double clutching has obviously been watching 'The Fast & Furious', but not had a clue what some of the driving terms meant.
But, as was said before its all well and good being 100 BHP per litre N/A, but it does sacrifice other other things like mid range punch, low down torque. These things come in the Astra 2.0 XE and you don't have to thrash it to get something out of it. The astra's kind of performance is preferable, and much quicker once past 60.
Don't be silly, an Astra is quicker than the civic after 60.
I was in my mate's Civic, and he got to 145. I've got it on camera too, don't think the Astra would get past 130.
I have a VTi Civic. I have raced many Astra's. They are quicker off the mark, but then the Civic catches it and beats it at about 90mph. The Civic is lighter, that's what makes it faster and more powerful.
I'm about to buy a for door Civic VTi. Can anyone tell me if it has not bad power, that gives joy, and overall if it's a good buy, thanks.
Once you buy it, IT will own YOU!
I have a 1.6 DOHC Vtec Civic. I love it, and only thing is if you're after the old shape 93 for example, the relay might give you a bit of trouble, but it's not expensive.
Once you feel and hear the Vtec, you won't want anything else; anyone who owns a Vtec will tell you this.
I use to own a Civic vti saloon. I sold it after a few months. I really miss the car and want another. Its the most reliable car I've had and the engine is awesome. Definitely one of the best ever made. The sound change and performance after 5500rpm is intoxicating. Buy one; you won't regret it.
I own a 1.8 VTi civic from 1998 on an R plate (UK) and its great fun... I've also thrown on a stainless backbox, and a K&N air induction kit which makes the noise at around ~5700rpm all the more fun! a great giggle and I love it, I've raced from the lights against a few makes and models of cars... and I think the winning and losing against near competitors actually comes down to whether you know how to drive it to its best... but if youre looking at buying one... I have NO regrets at all... great fun, and great power at that engine size... and get that K&N on there... the noise is a great giggle!