13th Nov 2007, 17:41
Quite an achievement considering that the rear suspension is leaf-sprung, a design that even Jeep abandoned!
19th Feb 2008, 17:51
^^^Oops there goes the Honda plug. IF I wanted to drive a little Honda with no torque I would. Hummers are just great.
3rd Apr 2008, 21:30
It's not a plug for Honda... Just stating facts. American design is well behind the foreign brands. I wish it weren't the case but it has been proven over and over year after year. I'd rather have a small good handling car any day over a huge lumbering SUV that can't get out of its own way. The better mileage is only a bonus... especially with gas quickly approaching $4 per gallon.
4th Apr 2008, 15:26
Well, that's your opinion, but apparently you can't accept that not everybody agrees with it. Why is everybody who wants to do something different from you "wrong"? Perhaps you're the one that's wrong. Perhaps a mid-size 4WD SUV can do some things better than a "small, good handling car" and suits the owner's needs better.
6th Apr 2008, 19:44
I didn't say anyone was wrong... I am just tired of buyers coming onto these forum sites stating that they are so safe because they can roll over everyone with their SUV.
I have an SUV that pulls the boat around, but I don't commute in it at 80+ mph weaving in and out of traffic like a lunatic. I see these people on the road every single day... So don't talk about needs and uses!!
I know what my SUV is best for, and I use it for just that. A single commuter vehicle and an SUV of any size SHOULD BE considered two different things. Apparently the majority thinks an oversized vehicle that sucks gas is the best choice for them to ride around in solo 90% of the time.
I know my SUV isn't nearly as safe as my car is. It's all about design not size. Do some vehicle safety research and then reply saying how smart your choice of vehicle is... And I won't even get started on how gas would be at least $1 less per gallon if we all averaged 8-10mpg better. We would ALL benefit from that now wouldn't we?
16th Jun 2008, 11:42
You are right. I'm 19 and currently drive a 1985 Chevrolet suburban 2500 and feel extremely safe, especially against some piece of garbage Honda. It just goes to show that anything that's larger and with body-on-frame construction is safer. That's why my first car was a 1987 Chrysler Fifth Avenue and why I choose a suburban, and my next car will be a 99' Mercury Grand Marquis. Crash statistics don't mean anything in the real world. I couldn't even contemplate the horror of the severity of a crash if my Suburban collided with a Honda civic or any small uni-body vehicle.
16th Jun 2008, 14:37
If you really want a very good example of a horrific crash, check an article on car safety (and the vulnerability of small cars) in the (I THINK) October 2007 edition of Scientific American. It has a picture of an early Ford Explorer that has literally DRIVEN THRU a little car (Honda Civic I think). The windshield on the Explorer is not even cracked!! It's a very graphic example of how vulnerable small cars are against anything more formidable than a motor-scooter.
16th Jun 2008, 17:17
Hmm, teenagers: the No. 1 group of drivers most likely to have an accident because they are immature, inexperienced, lack judgment, and their brains are not yet fully formed. And they are driving around in these behemoths. That's just wonderful. It's nice that "daddy's little girl" will be safe, but who will keep us safe from these hedonistic kids in battle tanks?
17th Jun 2008, 17:42
Hey it's a dream come true... GM is closing most of the truck plants and Hummer will soon be a distant memory!!! BUH BYE!!
You can only do so much to counter the lack of ability of drivers on the road. Honda's and Toyota's are vastly superior design wise to ANY American SUV junk box (PERIOD!!). Just because you know people who have been hurt or killed in them, doesn't mean the car is at fault.
Rear ending an F-150 is entirely the driver of the car's fault in 9 out of 10 accidents, and yes you will get killed when that truck lands in your lap. The car can only protect you so much from this type of accident or a head on for that matter. Even if you had a head on collision with another car, it would be devastating.
You can go and kill yourself in any car or truck if you are not driving properly and skillfully, and yes I know truly unavoidable accidents occur, but not too often when you are focused and paying really good attention to what you are doing, instead of playing with the nav or talking on the phone.
Go and look up the number of deaths in big "safe" SUV's and you'll be surprised. SUV manufacturers are (or were) making a killing off this mentality, and now we are all paying for it at the pump too...
Thankfully this argument will soon be closing as you will see most SUV's and trucks disappearing very soon.
I am almost glad to be paying over $4 per gallon, just to force people to make more intelligent choices when buying their vehicles. I'm sick of seeing single drivers commuting doing 80+ mph driving to work in the morning in these big SUV's, weaving sloppily in and out of traffic.
The facts have been proven over and over that well designed cars are safer than any SUV in normal driving conditions where good judgement and skill are being used.
Now if we could only get them to raise the fine to $1,000 for talking on a cell phone while driving, we'd really be getting somewhere....
17th Jun 2008, 22:42
It's only normal that parents want to do all they can to protect their children (and wives). My brother-in-law is a doctor who has seen more than his share of seriously injured people who were involved in crashes while driving small cars. Both his teenage daughter and son each drive large, truck based SUV's. He insists on it until SUV's are no longer the largest segment of vehicles on the roads.
Just this morning our local news carried the story of a young woman who was involved in a head-on collision with a late-model Chevy Silverado pickup. She was driving a compact European sedan and is in very critical condition, but, thankfully is expected to live. The driver of the Silverado, who did not even have his seat belt on, was treated and released.
18th Jun 2008, 09:55
Just because the people in the SUV's don't get hurt, does not make them any safer... Most of the accidents listed on here could probably have been avoided in a smaller vehicle that stops quicker and handles better.
See, so many people think that because they are "safe" in their big truck they are in a safer vehicle. To me safe is avoiding the accident all together, not crushing the occupant's of the smaller car and going on my merry way. If you live by that mentality then I hope you sleep well at night. That is a whacked mentality and selfish to no end. SUV's are just not safe for anyone...
If everyone had a normal size car for what they need to do the roads, we would be much safer overall.
Again, I am talking commuting solo every day. I know there is some need for a large vehicle for travel and boating and such. It is about having the intelligence to know when a SUV is a good choice, and I don't see it too often.
My favorite is the 5' tall woman on the cell in her Tahoe or Expedition that can't even see over the wheel, doing 75, cutting everyone off left an right... Yeah, that's safe!! I see these type of drivers ALL THE TIME!! I don't know about you, but I'd rather they were tooling around in Civics if I have to deal with them during my morning commute.