Peugeot do make brilliant cars, they are far better than Ford, Ford only sell cars because their marketing budget is the size of the QE II. If you want a better car, buy a Skoda, even they make good cars today.
The Sierra Cosworth is not a Ford, the engine block was modified by Cosworth, the cylinder head is made by Cosworth, the ECU is a Weber Alfa, so where is the Ford in that?
In this day and age they still make push rod engines where European and Japanese manufacturers are experimenting with variable compression.
Look at Peugeot, they come into the WRC and win the championship in the first year.
Ford however have ask some one else to build their engine.
You're thinking I must have had some bad experience with Ford, not really, to me any car's better than a Ford as long as it's not a Lada. Thank god they stopped importing them in Britain.
Right. I'm Yet Another (half-) Yank with a Pug, in this case a 405 Mi16. My opinion of this car:
It's bloody wonderful. I wish Peugeot would return to the U.S. so that we can have some decent cars here again.
By American standards, the performance is nothing to shout about: 8.5-ish to 60, 130 or so top speed - but the handling is incredible, the gearbox is a joy to use, and it's cheaper for parts than a Honda Accord.
Unfortunately, Peugeot only sold about 10,000 405s here between 1989 and 1992 (when they left the country), and perhaps 2,500 of those were Mi16s. People look at me like I'm insane for driving it - after all, the manufacturer hasn't been here for a decade - but I love it. Everything works. The steering is pin-sharp. Driving it hard to get the best out of it is incredibly rewarding. And the simple fact that I can outhandle or keep up with the 'best' of what's available here completely demolishes the poor perception of French cars in the U.S.
Problems... None, that are the car's fault, anyway. The emissions system's knock sensor is a bit over-touchy, but it requires 95-octane fuel according to the manual and we can only get 91 here in Southern California. The 'Check Engine' light comes on rather regularly (especially under hard acceleration), but letting it drop back to idle in neutral/with the clutch in and going back into gear clears it.
A great car, virtually unknown and much underappreciated here. Which is fine by me, because it means that mine cost me half as much as the equivalent 1989 Honda and is twice the car.
I own a Peugeot 2.0 MI16, which suffers from erratic performance, I have changed the usual stuff like coils, plugs, fuel pump and filter...
Management light comes on regularly which shows code 44 knock sensor fault, even when new knock sensor fitted. Peugeot main dealer can't find the problem anybody got any ideas???
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I currently own a 1993 Pug 405 Mi16 (2.0) which has suffered from electrical faults now and then, but it's rev happy sweet engine and precise handling make up for that. Image wise they are like a wolf in sheep's clothing. Most folk will be lucky to catch glimpse of more than 1 Mi16 in a lifetime, and most will never see a T16. Can a cossie do over 120k on the same head gasket or even engine? - On a twisty fast country road Mi's will tame any Fast Ford or Vauxhall! Fords gruel, Pugs rule! and for more fun, stick a Mi16 in a 205, and revel in pug heaven. Peugeot Sport Club, Yorkshire, UK.
I own a pug 205 1.6 GTi. I have had one or two troubles with the car (Head gasket blowing 2 weeks prior to traveling half way through France!!).bearing in mind it had done 150000 miles on the original!!, the rear suspension arms bearings collapsing (common problem!) nothing else major to report. On the subject of Fords, the body's on them are a bit like a teabag and just as weak. as for Peugeots apparently falling apart I have not had any problems even though we have 7 Peugeots in the family.
Look people, I just want to say that I am in love with Pugs.
I'm from Croatia and my mum drives a 405 1.9 with 110 hp. The car just rules. We have it for six years now and we never had any mechanical problems with it, except the time I slammed into a tree when doing about 75 mph on a country road...
In a few years I'd like to buy a Mi16 or a T16,or maybe a 205 GTi...
---All I have to say is PUGS RULE!!!
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The 405 T16 is an awesome car...
It can't be compared to the Cosworth simply because it's a totally different drive...
If you see one for sale it's a MUST BUY car..
I have the 405t16, is the best, here in argentina,its like 5 405t16.
I've always heard people talking about the 405 t16 and how quick it is so I spent about 6 months sourcing an engine as I think it would go much better in a smaller car! I've got a hugely modified exterior and stripped interior 309 g t i which is now the proud keeper of a t16 engine and I can tell you even without the 4 wheel drive this car pulls consecutive 0-60 times of under 5 seconds and well over 150 mph and is quicker than my mates 330bhp rear wheel drive siera cosworth and my other mates pulsar, got nitrous oxide in my sights now and all I can think about is where can I find a real super car to embaress off the lights? any offers...
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Try and find a T16 in the UK- you'll be very lucky. Apparently only 7 were brought over and these went to the Pug exec's.
Fords schmords- none of the normally aspired Fords can beat the MI16 0-62 and then, even the RS2000 fails to keep up. As mentioned earlier by someone in this forum, only heavily modified Fords and 3rd party engines from Cosworth powering Sierras and Escorts, can beat the standard MI16 0 to 62, albeit by a large margin. The cossie engines have a big power advantage against the Pug though-Ford Cossie Sierra/Escort 208/225 stanard bhp's against the 160bhp or later 150 bhp MI16's. Look at the price point though.
One things for certain, I'd love to see the T16 go head to head against both of the Ford Cossies. I think it would take the smiles away from the Ford fans, especially as the T16 is 4wd also.
Dear Mi16 owners, I am From Beirut, Lebanon. I own 205 Mi16 with some modifications. I can easily beat BMW and modern cars.
It is very fast engine, you got special feelings when your behind the steering wheel.
I think 175 BHP for 850kg 205 will fly.
No pug could ever out run a cosworth. In fact a 205 1.9 won't even keep up with a 1.6 Fiesta RS.
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The fiesta RS turbo is exactly that, a turbo!! most turbo charged cars could outrun naturally aspirated cars...can its replacement (rs 1800 fiesta) outrun a 1.9 gti??? NO..can it outrun a mi16???NO..get the picture???
Ford Fiesta. hmmmmm even the name sounds like a name badge for a new model granny car!!!. maybe they should slightly change the name to siesta. cause they will always be caught napping at the lights!!!...all I can say is put a stock standard cozzie x4 up against a stock standard pug 405 T16 on a race circuit and you will see the OVERALL differences!!! especially if the cars a have a bit of age on them!!!...anyone can pour money into a car to have higher hp!!...but I know one thing is forsure... you don't have to put more money into the pug to get better handling!!!...i would so love to see Top Gears driver "The Stig" test both cars on a track!!!...my money would be on the Pug!!!
Hello, I'm a owner of a 405 MI16 1990, with 215.000 Kim's, straight exhaust pipe (only the final muffler), high performance air filter (inside original box) and owners book maintenance always done, and it is with me for about 4 years.
Last owner left the timing belt broke and 8 exhaust valve had to be replaced. Since that reparation the engine/or similar parts never had problems again.
On the electrical issue, like mostly cars have problems with age, only replaced the ignition intensifier and some electrical cleaner spray on the wiring. I have the Pug file since the first day.
The confortable seats and enough space are one of the best thing that I appoint on this Pug for me. The engine is from 1986 design and is completely aluminium with about 130 kilos. The brakes are very good enough for a 16 years old car, and still can keep for sure with many modern cars, like many very good cars I've never suspected that were so weak compared to the 405 MI16, even with its 1110 kilos weight.
About not so good things about the 405 MI16 is the engine breath loud noise even in low speeds, and I can't recall anything more, besides being an automobile like many with its own minor issues.