24th Feb 2011, 12:18
A 115HP 2.2 litre engine does not do 0-60 in 8.4 seconds.
The body design of the Sunfire makes it faster than an identical Cavalier? That is not true.
You state your mods gave you 216HP? The Sunfire cannot handle that power and would fall apart; the suspension, drivetrain, brakes and engine are designed for basic transportation.
Give an honest review of what your car is; an economy, compact car, not a sports car, not a performance car.
24th Feb 2011, 15:40
To the one who keeps asking, how fast do you think it is. I know it is no 07 Grand Prix GXP tapshift V8 303hp stock like my other car is! My 0-60mph times are correct when stock. Yes, I had to burn the hell out of the clutch to get it to do 0-60 in 8.4! But it does do it!!!
And the one saying there is no difference in get up and go due to body design from the Cavalier to the Sunfire; you obviously never have seen a stock Cavalier and Sunfire go at it. The Sunfire will win 9 out of 10 times by a 1/4th of a car length, which is not much, but the Sunfire gets up and goes faster than the Cavalier by milliseconds.
To the person who says the Sunfire will fall apart with 216hp; you obviously didn't read my post fully. I clearly state I have completely upgraded my Sunfire; that includes suspension, transmission etc. The only thing I have NOT upgraded is engine internals, that's it, that's still to come!
And my Sunfire will do 0-60 in 6.1secs as my best time ever. It will do 0-60mph between 6.5-6.7 sec consecutively!
And the one saying the Sunfire isn't a sports car stock. No one every said it's a sports car. With upgrades and mods, it can be turned into one though.
Just thought I would let you all know I'm not some little kid. I have 7 GM certified certifications and 1 ASE master in automotive technology.
The one saying make a honest comment. Well to let you know, everything I have said is true.
And I never once said the Sunfire or Cavalier is a stock sports car. All I said is they are fast for stock 4 cylinder when upgraded and modded; then the Sunfire and Cavalier gets up and goes like a sports car. I never once said they are a sports car, so don't get it twisted!!
25th Feb 2011, 06:38
You're the one getting all bent out of shape trying to defend your statements about the 0-60 times of a 115HP economy car. NO ONE believes a Sunfire 2.2 litre will do 0-60 in 8.4 seconds, no magazine ever recorded those times for a Sunfire 2.2 litre. The honest 0-60 for a Sunfire/Cavalier 2.2 litre is 10 seconds, and that's being optimistic.
25th Feb 2011, 14:22
"the Sunfire gets up and goes faster than the Cavalier by milliseconds."
No, I haven't actually seen a Sunfire/Cavalier go at it, because these cars were best summed up by Consumer Reports as "crude, outdated, and unpleasant." Also, maybe in a race, the Cavalier driver isn't willing to wreck his clutch for a few milliseconds.
25th Feb 2011, 14:51
No one's getting bent out of shape! I'm defending my comments because a few people are saying my information is inaccurate and untrue, OK, that's why I'm defending my comment.
25th Feb 2011, 15:57
I'm no mechanic, but it sounds to me the poster on February 24 @ 15:40 is stating personal fact, and the rest of the posts are just assumptions.
Car magazines hardly ever show performance times for compact cars, and there are compact cars that are sporty; that's why they have GT versions LOL people.
28th Feb 2011, 12:26
Let me chime in here.
I owned a Sunfire, and a very good buddy of mine still owns a Sunfire. Mine was a 2001 Sunfire with the 2.2 and standard transmission. My buddies is a 1999 4 door 5 speed with the same engine. Neither of our cars did 0-60 in less than 10 seconds. I find people who think their Sunfires are fast often over exaggerate the acceleration potential of these cars.
You don't turn a compact car into a sports car. A sports car is manufactured as a sports car directly from the factory.
2nd Mar 2011, 03:54
That is completely not true. With enough $money$ and talent, many compact cars can be turned into a sports car. It just has to be modified.
And to end all this difference in opinion, and prove that the poster on February 24th @ 15:40 2011 is correct with his 0-60 times stock being possible, and prove it is possible to mod it to do 0-60 in 6.5 seconds, and prove the person's information is correct, see:
Like it says on these external websites, people highly underestimate the capabilities of GM's 4 cylinders, Ecotec and non Ecotec, and that GM has used these engines for years and years with them being virtually unchanged; they are time tested.
2nd Mar 2011, 12:13
Modify all you want, spend any amount of money you want, the Sunfire/Cavalier will never be mistaken for a sports car. At the end of the day, your Sunfire will still be a Sunfire. No one will ever say the Sunfire is a sports car.
2nd Mar 2011, 14:37
There is so much more to a true sports car than 0 - 60 times. People have taken AMC Gremlins to the track, and raced them. Nobody on earth would call a modified Gremlin a sports car, any more than they would call a Sunfire a sports car.
There is more to a true sports car, than a modified crude engine like GM's ecotec 4 cylinder, in a light vehicle such as the Sunfire. Many people don't even consider a Honda Civic SI a true sports car, and it is far superior to any Sunfire.
3rd Mar 2011, 18:51
OK, fine, it's not a TRUE sports car, call it what ever you want to call it! This has gotten way out of control. The point from the beginning is when modded, it is fast ass car. I've shown external website proof and everything! Let's not define it as a sports car anymore, I get it's not a TRUE sports car OK!! You people are just nit picking! The Sunfire isn't a real sports car like a Corvette I know this! All I'm saying is the Sunfire is capable of being a really fast 4 cylinder, that's all I'm saying. Nobody call the Sunfire a sports car anymore, because people on this site go crazy! I'll call it a sporty looking fast car from now on! Do you all have a problem with that too?
4th Mar 2011, 19:44
This is off topic, but I believe it is worth saying. People are free to make or react to comments as they like. However, I suggest many stop overreacting to something they disagree with. Stop taking things personally.
People dump on my Toyota all the time, but it doesn't bother me. I know it's a good car, and I got exactly what I wanted. It's not necessary to end every comment or statement with three exclamation marks. It's like yelling in type.
23rd Apr 2011, 14:56
I'm not a street racer. I have an '04 Sunfire and I never considered it "sporty". I drove it to the coast with my foot out of the gas and it got 35mpg. I drove it back with my foot in the gas and it dropped down to 30 (this is over the Willamette pass both ways), but was way too much fun. The car handles great and kept up with both of the cars that we were with. Maybe it's just my driving skill, but it handles like a charm and puts a lot of others to shame. Just got to know how to handle the gas and the brakes. I love this car.