24th Dec 2005, 18:55
To the guy with the VTR, unless yours is seriously modified, you would not stand a chance even with a standard FR TDI. It can do 0-62 in 8.9 seconds, and over 130 mph. Your VTR falls at least half a second behind that to 60, and the FR TDI will be long gone after that.
I used to have a Fabia vRS and I used to waste VTRs. My mate has a VTR (98 bhp) as well and I've driven it - nippy car with good torque and it handles very well indeed, but its not going to compete with an FR TDI in a straight line.
I used to have a Golf GTI Mk2 and I got beaten by a Golf 2.0 TDI which is slower than a FR TDI, and my Mk2 was just as quick as a VTR.
I've got a Renault Clio 182 now, and this is the kind of power you need to despatch an FR TDI, but if he's chipped, it will be a close race!
13th Jan 2006, 10:33
I had a Y-reg Leon Cupra that went like scatology of a spade. I kept it for nearly 4 years from new and 133,000 miles with no problems apart from a new clutch after me thrashing the botty off it constantly. I only sold it because our company car allowance only applied to cars of less than 4 years old. I had colleagues who drove Citroen VTRs & VTSs, they complained about rattles, tacky interiors, feeble bodywork and too many little things going wrong.
I suggest the French do what they do best, keep to making fine wines. Leave car manufacture to the professionals!
Is there anything more ugly (apart from me!) in this world than a Citroen, Peugeot or Renault?
14th Jan 2006, 03:29
I have a modified VRS (185BHP) and my mate, who lives over the road has a standard VTR. We have driven each others cars a lot (and I mean a lot). I am about to part ex my Fab for a Leon FR so I have driven them several times also. We have discussed performance between us and this is the definitive performance table, with position 1 being the fastest.
1. Modified FR
2. Modified VRS
3. Standard FR
4. Standards VRS
5. Standard VTR.
I haven't driven a modified VTR so can't comment. And just for good measure, a mod VRS would spank a Saxo VTS from 30mph upwards. If you haven't driven any of these cars yourelf then I can see how it would be hard for you to make an informed judgement.
17th Feb 2006, 03:59
I have owned a VTS for a year now last month my girl bought a FR for commuting to work, I am well impressed with it, can't wait for the weekends so I can get a drive in it, forget about which is faster the FR is a fantastic drive, man what torque, I had my first shot of it on the test drive from the garage and this motor sure put a smile on my face, now that they have been replaced there should be some good deals to be had out there, my advice is go and get one.
19th Feb 2006, 14:00
Don't bother, the cars always develop faults, and dealers won't fix because I did not buy off them, seat uk could not do anything, they said independant dealers, nothing we can do.
19th Feb 2006, 18:32
First of all mate, there isn't a Saxo VTR that does 98bhp so where you fix these cars is beyond me.
The Saxo VTR is a light weight car with its 100bhp, that gives out better power performance.
You have no idea of the handling and performance of a car, so why comment with jibes about VTRs?
10th Mar 2006, 13:16
I have just purchased a leon fr in stunning onvi yellow. The car has just 10k on the clock and is as standard. Over many years I have owned and driven many cars, but nothing comes any where near this one. The torque is simply superb and this is the only car that has put a smile on my face time after time. I would recommend anybody looking for performance and style to have a serious look at an F.R.
14th Mar 2006, 15:53
I just purchased an FR with 9k on it. My friend has a Cupra R with 280nm of torque and that pulls like a "£$£%. The FR has 320nm of torque and the saxo guy is even comparing it? please...