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OK, I'm the guy who made the comment about the Viper engine in the Accord, and just to CLARIFY for the April 2nd comment... i was being sarcastic. Even though I'm sure it's not beyond the realm of possibility, I don't see why anyone would waste their time retro-fitting an Accord to fit a v10.
My point was simply that once you modify your car you can't simply say that Integra R's are the best cars just because you happened to race a stock Mustang GT and beat it. The viper engine in an Accord just came to mind as an example of how pointless such a comment is. Though I'm sure putting a v10 in an Accord would turn it into a near rocket ship, I would never say just because my v10 Accord can do the 1/4 mile in 9.2 seconds that Accords are the best cars.
Anyways, just wanted to make clear that I don't own a V10 Accord. If I did, i'd take the v10 and put it in my TransAm.
And for the last comment regarding the F1 comparison to the Type R's engine... the Type R obviously has an incredibly designed engine, but I still wouldn't compare it to an F1 engine. The Hp output per litre may be similiar, but your comparing 4 cylinders to 10 or 12. Add an extra 6 or 8 cylinders and I'm guessing it's gonna change things around. I dunno, maybe I'm wrong. I'm not an engineer.
All I know is, Type R's are fast, but bad mouthing big engines is pointless. Actually bad mouthing Mustangs isn't all that pointless (cheap pieces of crap). But I stand by my Trans AM. The 5.7L moves the beast like a bat out of hell. Your gonna have to put some cash into a Type R to make it compete with the 5.7L's. Especially with the Ls1 or Ls6 models.
Its all personal preference though. Theres a lot to be said for Asian quality, but I prefer American torque. I like big cars with big engines, some people like small cars with small engines.
And when it all comes down to it, no matter how fast you are, theres always someone faster (unless if you happen to have a Dodge Tomahawk, then your pretty safe...)
Peace.
What it comes down to is
rice burner vs muscle car
handling vs drag racing
high pitched vs rumble.
I believe it was said before the only good quality muscle cars are before 1980. If you are into drag racing and speed buy a muscle car because they were meant for drag racing and speed. If you want handling and a smooth ride buy a rice burner because they were meant for the curvy roads in Asia and Europe. You can soup up an old 70's Corvette and make it fast for about 10,000 dollars. You can buy a used rice burner for 10,000 dollars, but then you still need to make it fast. The rice burner is easier to speed up, also, compared to a muscle car because you don't need as much horsepower to make it fast because of its lightweight. They both have their ups and downs so there is no reason to diss other people's wants until they diss yours unless it's a Honda Element or a PT Cruiser or some car where the engineers must have been smoking something at the time.
I think we can all say that this is the SAME love, and SAME passion for cars in general. There is always going to be tension between the two separate generations, no matter what anyone says. Some love the sounds an engine makes, the raw horsepower, or the way it sucks you back in your seat. There are also the ones that just like a good cruise to show off there love, and take a stand for something. Most car enthusiasts will agree with all of the above, and what has been stated before, it really relies on your own personal preference, and what label you chose to slap on your forehead.
(unless you drive a geo,... then you really don't have a label I guess.)
HI THERE!!
I'm happy to see all you guys out there bad mouthing the other guy's " DREAM CAR " a whole lotta love. I've been reading all these comments which is supposed to be about INTEGRA, until that one guy jumps in with MUSTANGS & CAMEROS.
First of all do you really need both of these American cars just to go up against the INTEGRA? PLEASE!! PLAY FAIR!! and pick one. You guys have to remember many people like my self
depend on these comments upon purchasing our next " DREAM CAR" your informations are very important. Be thankful of what you have cause a lot of people out there can't afford a 2000 TYPE R and MUSTANG GT, CAMERO,WS6 BLAH BLAH and BLAH!!
What ever it is that you drive A JAPANESE RICE BURNER or AN AMERICAN GAS GUZZLER just enjoy your most valuable toy. I'm tired of you guys claiming to be the FASTTEST around $25000 cause I'm pretty sure its just in your head. A couple of weeks ago I witnessed a MUSTANG COBRA and A TYPE R (both with mods) were going at it on 66 at 3 in the morning while I was cruising peacefully in the right lane they were going at 135 mph I decided to sneak up beside them and SMOKED THEM BOTH WITH MY AUDI S4!!! HUH, HUH, HUH!!! OH did I mentioned my ABT S4 was $24995???
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!
Seriously this is really funny reading. a lot of people here are saying that they can take a 4cylinder car, modify it and beat 6,8,10 cylinders. I am seriously laughing now. hey do you guys no what happens when you take a 6,8,10 cylinder car and modify it? it makes your integra type r's and civic's look like a shoping cart that you PUSH.
Remember one thing, everyone will say that there car is better than the next person's car. which fool will say that their car sucks?
I drive a 2003 MONTE CARLO SS with a extensive array of mods to both engine and chassis. my car will rip the paint off of any import including a heavily modified NSX. the owner of that car was in amazement and he spent almost 3x the amount I spent on my car.
Besides, unless you have a garrett T4 turbo in your integra, (a T6 will never fit, and to the guy who dropped a viper rt/10 engine in that accord, how did you do that?) the car will always sound like crap, whining. my SS sounds exactly like a NASCAR and I am sure I could hold my own against a Roush Racing stockcar let alone any 4cylinder shopping cart import.
OOH NASCAR, I hope your wife is not your sister.
It's amazing to see this argument in every magazine, on every post and in every cafeteria in North America.
Here is the way it is:
ABSOLUTELY STOCK the big American muscle will beat the high revving Japanese cars on the drag strip, your delusional to think anything else. THIS IS FOR OFF THE SHOW ROOM STOCK.
Secondly the reason these imports are revving as high is they do is because they are torque-less having such small displacement. This is technologically more complicated than the large American muscle, but whether it is better is a matter of opinion. I know which engine I'd want to have to for repairs on and which I'd rather buy gas for though.
The high torque of a real engine means power over a greater range of RPMs. It means not having to keep it a red line through all the gears to win a race. Keep in mind this is all stock.
If we want to talk mods then the story evolves. In my experience many more rice burners on the road have mods then do the Mustangs and Trans Ams. This may have to do with recent trends in the taste of young men, or the availability of cheaper starter cars.
It is true that a modded civic or type R will, depending on whats been done to it outrun a Mustang or whatever else. I wonder how many of these import drivers are really sure if they are racing a GT or if the Mustang they beat was a 6 cyl and they just hope it was a GT.
What you have to remember though is, whatever you have done to your car a Mustang owner could do to there's. Whatever the power gains you have sucked out of your 1.8 liter they will get the same or more out of their 5 liters. At this point no one is getting good gas mileage so the advantage of the imports is gone and on the dragstrip the bigger motor gets its crown back. A twin turbo Viper Venom does 0-60 in 2.3 and 1/4 mile in 8. What would you have to do to an Acura to get those numbers, I think the original engine would be left on the garage floor.
As far as cost is concerned, I built a 500 horsepower engine last summer. It cost me $6000 Canadian give or take a few hundred. Guess what, it was a small block chevy V8, naturally aspirated, carbureted. It was cheap, easy and even in a 1979 Impala, a 5000 pound car it hasn't been beat on the road. I want to find a lighter body before it sees any time at the strip, but we'll see.
As far as driving in the snow, I live in Winnipeg Canada, so I know a little about that. If you can't handle high power rear wheel driving the winter, it is because you're not a good enough driver, not because its some sort of impossibility. A knowledge of your car, the conditions, and a light, very light foot, and you should be okay.
To some it up, there is no replacement for displacement.
I don't think I would ever spend 25k on something with only 1.8 ltrs.. you're not going to get a lot of bang for the buck if you start modding it.. most people who by ITRs are not looking to be a 10sec car.. but I can't deny they are quick little cars.. I just hate it when I race one and afterwards they make up excuses like.. I don't have a turbo or it's only 1.8 ltrs.. grow up.. that kind of excuses don't bring down your ET.. you knew the car was almost maxed out when you bought it..
Bottom line.. if you want an expensive 14 sec car and that's it.. buy an ITR.. and make sure you have excuses list ready.
They stopped making Camero's and Firebirds for a reason.
No one buys them anymore, they are outdated. It's funny how everyone argues about 1/4 mile times. What a waste of a car, going down a straight line as fast as you can, to go put the car back on the trailer after? I would rather have a reliable, light weight Import that I can actually daily drive and have some fun driving through the canyon's with. The same car that could perform a daily 13-14 sec 1/4, jump on a road course, and drive me back and forth from work without adjusting anything.
Price, weight, and availability of affordable aftermarket parts all come to mind as motivating factors when looking at the potential of a car. Dollar for Dollar I think an import will be faster, even if you have to switch the motors.
I bet I could build a full race import ready for road race duty at the price of a New stock Muscle car (Ford GT or Cobra). But I wouldn't even ask for a muscle car to get on a road course with me, for I would be afraid of getting hit.
It all depends what you are looking for, yes American cars are faster stock for stock in a straight line. If you getting into any aort of turns, a Type - R will smoke a domestic. If your comparing the lag in the straight line compared to the lag in the turns, then a domestic is way behind. I've raced a ws-6 and he smoked me when the road was straight, but come to a turn not even a sharp turn and he had to slam on the brakes while I never let off the gas nor was my car even rolling at all. If you want a car that can go in a straight line get a domestic. If you want a fun car and puts you at one with the road get a Type - R. For all the domestics.. you need to drive a ITR to even understand what you are missing. and yes I have driven mustangs and camaroes before.
You can make a big car like a Camaro of Trans Am handle almost (not quite) as good as a ITR. Need stiffer springs and shocks, and some sub frames... but its really not a big deal to get them to handle very well.
What IS a big deal is making a 4 cyl do low 13s or 12s or better. Your gonna need some serious work and some serious cash. On the other hand, v8s in the least can do high 13s stock, and getting them even into low 12s isn't a huge deal. Getting them into the 11s and 10s is a bigger deal, but still fairly easily attainable. You're not gonna see a Type R pulling out those kinda numbers.
Why do those V8's have to have so many liters? Why don't you muscle car owners compare your car to a Toyota Supra? Or an RX-7. If you spend thousands on your RX-7 to maintain it, you are an idiot. It is a good engine after you replace the gaskets and seals. Anyways, the Supra has a more comparable weight and engine size. However, I usually see the Supra matched up against the Viper, for some reason.
I recently purchased an ITR. I got a good deal on it, used. It has average mileage, but since it's a honda I don't have to worry about it failing. That being said, for the price of a new Mustang V6, I purchased, modified, and tuned the ITR to run a 13.4 with a horrible 60 ft time. This is the ITR's only flaw, FWD. However on the highway, I pull modded C5's and STI's like no one's business. Handling has been somewhat sacrificed due to the traction problem, however it still handles like a dream. Plus I get way more looks and comments then any Mustang, save a Rousch or Saleen maybe. The best part? I can still get 30 mpg. It's all about what ya want and what ya know.
I'm currently thinking about purchasing a 2000 Type-R. I think there are way too many hard-headed people out there who just don't understand cars. If you are a true enthusiasts (import or domestic) you will understand that it's all about preference and that each one has their own potential.
Although I love imports more than domestics, I'm not going to bash on domestics for any reason. Imports have their potential and dometics have their potential. I just prefer imports over domestics.
A lot of cars that are being produced now days are fast, whether they are imports, domestics, sporty cars, family cars, etc.. Decide which car will fit your needs most and buy it. Don't listen to those hard headed people who thinks that their cars are better than all others. There are too many factors that come into play when it comes to cars.
Peace out...
Oh yeah, currently I own a 1990 Nissan 240sx with a 2.0L SR20DET motor with 239 hp and 250 torque to the wheel.
Domestics don't compare to Imports. Imports are more reliable, and have far more quality and superiority then Domestics. I know I won't be buying a Domestic again. And that's the bottom line.