24th Jun 2007, 05:52

XR3i's?? You don't even need to own or drive either car to know which one is quicker or handles better, and its not the XR3i. Its laughable to say that it is.

24th Jun 2007, 10:31

You could have bought somthing better, but slower than a VTS for that money.

26th Jun 2007, 04:29

Not trying to start another argument, but how would a VTS stand up to the only Escort RS Turbo??

The VTS is quick, and so is my Rover Vi, but the turbo in the Escort along with the dump valve could be a better smile factor.

What do you lot think??

Rover Vi owner.

8th Jul 2007, 09:29

Hi, I've just bought a brand new fiat grande punto 1.3 diesel. Anyone know anything about modifying them?


10th Jul 2007, 13:07

Perhaps upgrade its turbo if it has one.

13th Jul 2007, 03:49

Yeah it has one, probably only tiny though. will throwing a bigger turbo in not just create a lot more lag? What can I do about that. Plus with it only being a 1.3 how far can I go?

Its being superchipped this weekend hopefully.

13th Jul 2007, 13:58

It's a diesel, so it will have more torque than a petrol engine of the same size in general, and I think that would help overcome the lag from a larger turbo.

14th Jul 2007, 08:15

Cool, I'm learning. First gear is really crap though have to change gear at 10mph. How can I up the torque so I can set off in second? Am I being silly lol.

15th Jul 2007, 13:59

You can get it mapped for more torque and a bit more power, and vice versa. If it's your first car, I'd suggest using it to get used to driving. And then go for something with a larger engine, 1.6 petrol or 1.7td. Up to you of course; depends if you think it's worth throwing money at it.

19th Jul 2007, 02:21

It's my second car, and it's on finance for 5 years, so I'll be keeping it for that long at least.

The car will stand me at about 12k when I finished my finance, so definitely think money will be well spent making it the car I want.

How silly could a 1.3 engine be? Also would I be able to fit a dump valve?

20th Jul 2007, 08:27

LOL. Actually mine is only 75 brake horse power, but on the plus side I could take it up to the 90? I only want the dump valve for the noise it makes. Sounds pretty cool, although it won't have the same effect when they see my diesel coming as opposed to a Skyline LOL.

21st Jul 2007, 20:48

I've got a Furio, which is a 1.4 75 bhp Saxo for £2200 with 24,000 miles; not very fast, but looks like a VTS, and has better interior, but no ABS.

It's blue trimmed through out, with blue seat belts, seats, carpet, and black and blue dash. I'm pretty sure the previous owner took it to a body shop, cos it doesn't look like the standard interior.

I've spent about £300 on a rally body kit; if you're into modding cars, it's a very cheap car for it.

Last car I had was a pug 1.4 Quicksilver, which is pretty much the same car performance wise, but my Saxo was about £900 less, and the body kit was half the price.

22nd Jul 2007, 11:11

I've driven a lot of hot hatches, ended up deciding on a Saxo VTS. OK first the bad parts- build quality is crap, I accept that, and interior looks very dated. But we don't get a Saxo VTS for interiors or bullet-proof quality. Could have got a BMW 318i if I was after that. I got the VTS cause it can hit 60 in 7.7s, and for a 1.6 16v, come on, that is darn impressive. Insurance is silly at gp 14, but shop around and you can actually find some reasonable quotes. I'm only 19 btw, and I'm paying under 1.8k fully comp with 0 NCB. Standard car, it keeps with my mate's Fiesta ST until about 80mph, and he only pulls away slowly after that. He spent 12k buying his car, I spent about 3.5k on mine. Enough said.

23rd Jul 2007, 16:04

What insurance company are you with?

11th Aug 2007, 14:06

Bell insurance mate; they seem to be good for young drivers with quick rides. And for those of you who want to slate the VTS, look on Youtube and see a VTS racing a Civic VTi, and how they both cross the finish line at exactly the same time, despite the 40bhp disadvantage of the Saxo. CRX is very quick yes, but to be honest its no quicker than a VTS. The weakness of the VTS is the floppy gearbox, plus its not the most stable thing on 4 wheels at high speed, but granted what you get for your money, the VTS is surely one of the best bangs-for-your-buck cars around. I mean, come on, about 2.5k can bag you a hot hatch that can master most mid-range executives at the lights!

26th Aug 2007, 01:25

There's something wrong with your VTS if you can only 'just' keep up with a Fiesta ST!

26th Aug 2007, 12:44

The Saxo VTS is a slow car; only produces 120bhp, I used to own one, it only feels quick because it is so flimsy. 0-60mph takes about 8.7sec and 0-100 takes 27sec. And an ST Fiesta would leave a VTS standing.

26th Aug 2007, 16:42

Lol- why should there be something wrong with my VTS? The Fiesta ST has 150bhp, it's a quick car, and even then my standard VTS beats it off the lights to about 40, then he gets back, and by about the 80 mark we're neck and neck and he starts to pull off (ever so slowly). On B-roads the VTS is certainly a match, both are neck and neck. I'd say the Saxo is more nimble, although the Fiesta somehow keeps it all together in the bends without drama (grippier tyres, maybe?) But to be honest both cars are pretty well matched on the road, with a few breathing mods I'd imagine the VTS to leave the Fiesta standing...

27th Aug 2007, 12:43

To 26th Aug 2007, 12:44.

Have you really owned one? The figures you gave are more in line with a VTR. A VTS is 7.5 ish to 60. Don't know about 0-100. also 120bhp in a small light car is a lot. you don't know what your talking about.

30th Aug 2007, 16:58

Why do people seem to knock the Saxo VTS? I've just sold mine to buy a Clio 172 Cup. The Saxo is a very quick car for a 1.6. Anybody who says they are not has never been in one. They're great value for money and great fun, but please boys who own the VTS, don't compare it to a 172. The 172 is a lot quicker. I don't care what the stats say, blah blab, I drove both cars in the same week and everytime I got in the 172 Cup, it felt so much quicker.

4th Sep 2007, 07:43

My mate owns a VTS and you cannot knock it for performance. A 1.6 engine that can hit 60 in second gear? Most German barges can't do that; that's why they're so quick, only one gear change is needed before the next set of traffic lights.

Personally I don't like the car; they're common and a bit on the cheap side, and I prefer my Skoda vRS but it's scary that the Saxo can keep up over short distances. We're both decent drivers too.