2008 Fiat Doblo Dynamic 1.3 Multijet 85BHP from UK and Ireland

Summary:

DOBLO style icon... Not (30k, 3 years in)

Faults:

Stereo would not switch on and off with the ignition. I replaced with Bluetooth one as I needed hands-free, plus I prefer using USB/ipod and not carrying CDs, so not the end of the world. Every review on this car mentions problems with the standard fit audio system.

5100 miles: oil light flashing, message on the computer - Change Engine Oil. I took her to Fiat, thinking this would be warranty, as the car had been serviced every year as per the guidelines e.g 12k or 1 year for a service, only to be told your oil has reached degeneration stage, and needs to be changed. Oil and filter were £175. After an argument, £116.00. Whilst I didn't expect oil to be covered, I fail to see how oil can degenerate so quickly, 7 months and just 5k. This simply means the Fiat service schedules when they sell you the vehicle are simply garbage, and expect to change oil twice a year unless you do higher miles; do low miles, and the oil will not heat fully, and has a shorter life. Next time I will not bother with Fiat dealerships, as the price is over inflated!! Breath!! Rant over..... It's worth noting that when stationary you can select the menu button and check how many miles until your next service which will prevent you from the nasty surprise, or so I thought, however this is just annual servicing not oil quality. I have just had the oil changed for a second time. The computer still thinks another 4k to service. It would seem I average 7 months for an oil change. However a full service from a non Fiat garage who I use and trust is £160.00.

It's also worth mentioning that the speakers are not the best quality, replacements were made as the back ones were next to useless; tiny speakers in a boot that is huge. Any bass and they just bomb. 6x9 boxes mounted with better quality speakers rectified that situation also to note... I'm not a music head, filling my boot with bone shaking bass systems, but I do like to singalong (wail) on occasion, and the standard system really doesn't do it!!!

At 12k together and a leaky air con drain pipe.... the pipe was blocked with crap from the road, and when the A/C was running for long periods, it backed up and I got a wet footwell. The worst problem was a stagnant water smell; the A/C still worked as normal. The pipe was cleaned out and and I had the pollen filter replaced for £45 quid, so nothing too terminal.

At 15k an electric window went down and stayed down. It refused to move. I checked the fuse and that was fine. After panic and swearing, I bagged the window ready for a trip to the garage on Monday morning. On the Monday I removed the bagging to drive, and to my surprise the window worked perfectly and has done ever since?!?!? Weird; deffo a gremlin on board somewhere...

21k together and the front flexi pipe on the exhaust system has rusted through, the engine was noisy, so go I thought I'd get it seen to. Only now after it was replaced I have the engine light on with engine failure on the display, and it's all pointing to the DPF temperature sensor. The car is in limp mode, and the garage inform me that the main issue is trying to get this device out of the DPF, which is also rusty on a car that is 5 years old and has covered just 40k! The DPF to replace is £980 plus VAT. I spent a week hoping the garage had a viable plan 'B' and save this rather expensive part. It is worth stating that DPF's in general seem to be problematic and not an issue unique to the Doblo, although the amount of rusting on the exhaust system for 5 years and 40k is not good.

My mechanic has now rectified a repair to the DPF and the car is back quiet again with turbo boost!!! MARVELOUS.

From 44k intermittently the car doesn't start, third click on the ignition barrel and silence, no attempt to start. Same happens with both keys; odd as I leave it a minute or two and she starts as normal. I'm having the wiring checked and see where we go from there!

On service investigation found nothing, ignition wiring was checked and 'fingers crossed' it seems to have not happened for a while.

Disaster; 8 weeks after service the turbo has gone! Squealing, screaming and sounds dreadful. I managed to limp to the garage and there she has stayed. The diagnosis is confirmed as bent turbo fins, probably caused by a collapsed bearing. Just 46k on the clock! £580 + VAT & labour, cheers FIAT!

General Comments:

This is a car that one buys with the 'head', rather than the 'heart'. Sports car she is not! However I have to say that it's the best purchase I've ever made. It suits my needs perfectly.

The cabin has loads of room, great adjustment on the front seats for people of all shapes and sizes. Driver's armrest is also a nice touch. The layout is sensible, and the dials are all clear and functional.

The only slight disappointments are the lack of reach adjust on the steering; the wheel does move up and down for height though. Also the absence of the external temperature with ice warning. Fiat left this as optional at £150 quid, which frankly is a stupid price. It also makes no sense when all the other features on the computer remain, one particularly useful feature is the speed warning function normally only found on much more expensive cars. The modes also feature trip function, average MPG, instant MPG, journey time and secondary trip function for additional info.

The one really stupid thing about this car is that the sun visor does not unclip to be turned to the side to filter the sun?!? Bizarre and frankly stupid, as I discover every winter when low sunlight first appears and driving in winter sunshine I pass trees being blinded by the flickering light. Fiat, where is your logic on that decision?

The other minor irritation is the positioning of the switch for indicator auto cut off. At times getting a left indication when exiting a roundabout for example is difficult, as it will not always allow you, owing to the position of the steering wheel and the switch cut off, meaning you select the signal 2 or 3 times!

The load capacity is huge; I have 3 Dobermans that all go in the boot at the same time. The rear windows 'pop' out, which keeps the boot cool when parked. The Fiat dog guard frame and fixings are quality items, and do not rattle like after-market options. However the mesh that appears to be metal in the catalog is in fact lace mesh and not chew proof. My Doberman came crashing through on the A12!! Not at all good for the price it cost. If the inner mesh was metal, then the design would have been excellent. I have resolved the issue by getting poly-carbonate sheet cut to size and drilled. I then zip tied it to the guard frame, making it solid and secure. I also added an extra section taking the protection up to the roof, as the guard stops short of the roof, meaning the dogs kept putting their heads up over the top before. The cost of the adaptions was around £70.00, but it's worth it. It's also clear and better for rear view than the mesh was in the beginning. Now that the guard has been in place for 3 years the trim around the top of the load area that it screws into has bowed and now looks tatty. The screwed guard fixes to the trim, which is held to the car with a nylon/plastic screw. Probably fine until you add the guard, then not so good. Cheap and spoils the look inside.

The split folding parcel shelf is a great idea when loading and unloading, as the boot is so deep, folding it back allows for reaching items towards the rear seat. The boot floor is also a low height, with the tail lights on the edges makes for a wide load area also, so lifting heavy or bulky items in and out couldn't be easier. The monthly food shop looks lost when loaded, unlike others scratching their heads rearranging and continuing to struggle, which then results in putting bags in the back at the supermarket. The boot in fact is so big, that I managed to put a fully build duck house in by just pushing the rear seats slightly forward; they didn't have to be folded down, The dog guard stayed hung in place and just tilted forward. The duck house was over 3 feet 2 inches deep!!!

If the family go out in the car, the kids all have loads of space, the seats are good quality in the back also, and the dark glass on Dynamic models is a nice touch for any rear seat passenger. The air-conditioning is a 'must have' item that's missing on lower models. Anyone with mobility problems needing easy rear access will find the sliding rear doors and head height invaluable, my main reason for considering a Doblo in the first place.

The engine is very frugal and quite nippy, and its V.E.D. emissions are also quite low for a car of this size, £140 for a years tax, however you do have to work the gear box and keep it in the turbo 'peak' to get the best out of it. It's worth noting that earlier models of this 1.3 Multi jet diesel come with less power; these should be avoided in my view, as 85BHP is about the minimum this body needs to be carried with any sufficiency. Especially when you consider the weight of passengers and loads etc. It is fair to say that you notice the additional weight when carrying five passengers and their belongings, although this 1.3 still slugs along. It's mostly the initial pull away that it's most obvious.

Generally when driven quite hard, it returns 46 MPG, and on a steady 'run' to the sea side (motorway) she managed 57 MPG!!! Which is in my view great for a car of its size. Especially when you factor in 3 dogs, 2 kids and 3 adults, and all the luggage!! It's when fully loaded, and big hilly roads that make you appreciate the frankly amazing 200NM of torque from this tiny engine. When using a different style of driving, (coughs) lane 3 foot down, expect figures of 41 - 42 again; impressive for the size of this car. This little 1.3 is also willing to motor along and slugs up hills well at speed, without that tail off you get with hills from small petrol engines.

This little power train is fab for snow, allowing full use of high gears, and that thing us experienced drivers crave, torque!! But the peaky turbo can make pulling out from a junction a little tricky when driving in ice, as it will torque steer, gentle has to be the order of the day for that situation. The car does wear front tyres fairly quick due to the turbo and of course powered steering and being front wheel drive.

Now back to every day motoring... This car as a result joins motorways with short hilly slip roads easily, much better than my old 1.6 petrol, which overall was more powerful, but useless until revved up, by which time the short slip road had ran out. For a diesel, it is also not too noisy, although it does struggle a little with wind noise. The gear change is very smooth and responsive.

The handling for such a tall car is also surprisingly stable, although the ride can be a little bouncy on an uneven surface. Having owned Fiats before, the cabin is a refreshing change in build quality, and feels very well put together, and remains generally durable (excluding the stupid designed rear quarter panel for the dog guard mentioned previously). It is fair to say that the plastics are not as plush as other MPV's on the market, however they are considerably more expensive. The new Doblo seems to have made progress into bridging that gap. We have covered over 30k now together, hence the updates.

Owning one of these, you will get used to van jokes, ice cream salesman jokes, taxi, oh and the odd 'Pope' gag, but s*d em! If you need like me, space and practicality with affordable running costs, this car is perfect. Another major point to note is that most people change their minds when they have been out in this competent, spacious, practical car. I have to say that owning one now for 36 months 30k I like the fact that this car doesn't attempt to hide its routes, e.g. the Combi Van, essentially that's what makes it so practical and useful. Other MPV's I feel offer a lot of pretence, and as a result are less real use and value. In a perfect world I'd have one of these in the garage, and a sporty number for those days when all of the above situations don't matter, but as us MPV owner's realise, those days are few and far between...

To summarise, despite her letting herself down with one or two minor but random issues, then of course most recently the wracking turbo bill, 'My Doblo remains a winner!' Style icon she ain't, but remember what your mother once said, summit about books and covers - you decide....

Would you buy another car from this manufacturer? Yes

Review Date: 12th August, 2011

29th Sep 2013, 12:41

Excellent review. Thank you.

2007 Fiat Doblo Multijet 120 Dynamic 1.9 turbo diesel from UK and Ireland

Summary:

Dated, but proven, tough and great value

Faults:

We got a truly exceptional deal on the car, and the pre-delivery inspection was rushed/no frills - but we could live with this at a 34% discount on list price...

(NB - I am very fussy and inspect cars obsessively - see 2007 Perodua Myvi SXi, 2007 Fiat Panda Multijet, 2006 Suzuki Swift DDiS reports)

On delivery:

Some rough edges on the interior plastics needed cutting off/smoothing - easy to do with craft knife.

Fuel cap drip flap had to be trimmed - huge rough edge not trimmed off at build stage - easy to do with craft knife.

Some white stress marks in a plastic overhead shelf, where it was forced into place at the factory - very minor.

OSR sliding door window rubber sagging and needed gluing.

Rear light cluster surrounds and OSR bumper corner had been repainted to a less than magnificent standard - but after commenting, the dealer compensated with cheque to cover getting this redone, which was lovely of them - left as is.

Mats and clips thrown in boot and not fitted - but deal was cheap!

Valet not brilliant, but OK.

Really, I am picking holes in a good car at a truly superb price, so ignore all of the above.

General Comments:

I have previously bought a new Citroen Berlingo 2.0 HDi Desire in 2004 (see "like a badly dressed friend.." report), sold it and missed the practicality.

Now we are expecting our first child, we need a family car - I would have bought another Berlingo, but fancied a different car and the Fiat ticked the boxes and undercut the Citroen by over £1000 (best deals).

The overall impression of the car is that it is a huge and useful, no nonsense tough van-based car at the same price as a new Fiesta.

We have a September 2007 built Doblo with the latest red (500 style) badges.

It is dated in places and due to be replaced very soon by the new Fiat Fiorino van/people carrier, as seen on:

http://www.autospies.com/news/Fiat-Fiorino-Is-Revealed-21358/

http://www.autospectator.com/cars/fiat/0029092-new-compact-economy-van-concept-developed-fiat-psa-peugeot-citroen-partnership-tofas

The new one looks much more up to date and will be more economical, lower tax band, better stereo etc.

First impressions of the Doblo:

A pleasant car which is easy to use with great visibility and (heated) mirrors, reasonable daily economy of 40mpg, good driving position and huge space.

Compared to the Berlingo, it has more power and a larger load bay, corners better and is much cheaper. It also has much more road presence and seems to be more respected than the smoother looking Berlingo - you find people get out of the way or give way to you in the Doblo, and just laugh and drive at you in the Berlingo.

The Berlingo has more equipment-fingertip control stereo, glass roof with excellent built in roof rack, Modubox, overhead lockers, more 12v powerpoints, softer seats and a softer ride, but rolls more on corners, lifts an inside wheel on harsh cornering, and has very sensitive ABS, which cuts in too soon.

The Doblo is more van-like and drives as such with rear leaf springs, but is better planted on the road, corners better, and has better brakes and generally feels tougher.

Good:

Price, size of cabin and boot, tough, equipment, solid drive, 6 speaker stereo, well proven powertrain, Fiat service has been A1, good dual trip/fuel computer and display, non-intrusive electronics; you can turn warning buzzers off, separate interior lights in front cabin, rear cabin and boot are all independently triggered, nice alloys, enormous tailgate great shelter when loading boot in the rain, first class large heated electric mirrors, dash mounted gear stick, driver's armrest.

Bad:

Daft stereo turns off 20 minutes after you remove the keys, or has to be turned off manually, which takes 10 seconds - Fiat say they will replace if it cannot be programmed differently, rough edges/poor quality control as above, rear seat passengers complain of bouncy ride over poor surfaces, no ISOFIX or side airbags, key has same button for lock and unlock-not separate buttons, Dynamic trim has old fashioned rear headrests which obscure rear view mirror view of behind (we have removed the centre one) (Family trim has newer style child/adult headrests which retract), rear passengers struggle to work out how to open rear doors and press lock button not opening lever by mistake, mirrors create wind noise, car corners well, but unsettled when lane-changing on motorway, steering quite heavy at low speeds, no rubber seal around outer lower door edge means sills/lower door inners get filthy quickly, rear wiper not intermittent.

At the price it is excellent, but we feel that the lack of ISOFIX, and the poor design of the centre rear headrest is an oversight.

Do be aware that this is a van based car and is basic - not like a Zafira - the rear seats do fold, but do not remove, and they do split-fold, but the design means you can only tumble just one seat independently in the Dynamic - you cannot tumble the right two seats leaving the single left seat in place. Who cares with this much space?!

We wanted to buy a Doblo 1.3 Multijet Dynamic, but this is not made - the 1.3 Multijet 85 BHP is only available in the Active model or Family 7 seater, and we wanted the 5 seat Dynamic. The 1.9 120 unit is good, but has maximum power at 3000rpm, not at 1750rpm - just over tickover as on the 1.3.

The 1.9 120 needs revving to pull, which is at odds with the type of vehicle, and makes it harder to drive and noisier.

We have the 1.3 unit in our 2007 Panda (but only 70BHP) and it is SUPERB, and a more modern, quieter, more refined and economical unit than the 1.9 - and the 1.3 Family 7 seater is in a lower tax band than our 5 seater 1.9.

If I chose again, I would have a 1.3 Multijet Active with air-con as an option - it is not standard on the Active and costs £600 extra. The deal on the 1.9 we got was so good it that it actually worked out cheaper than 1.3 Active and we are very happy with the car.

NB: If you are worried about the power of the 1.3 in such a large car, do not be - it is by far the best unit, and has ample power and better refinement and economy, as well as a lighter gear change and lower tax band.

The power band is better suited to this type of car, with pull directly from tickover - it still goes fast too.

The 1.9 120 is overkill with this chassis and handling, and 1.9 105 is totally pointless next to the more advanced new 1.3 85. No point looking at the 1.4 petrol, at any price.

Interestingly, my wife finds the Doblo actually easier to drive than her 2007 Panda, owing to the higher driving position, great visibility and huge mirrors. She finds it both easier to park and to place in the correct position on the road - this was a factor in our choice - she was intimidated by "rounder" family cars where the dimensions are harder to judge.

I will update as the miles pile on, but happy at present and hope that Fiat resolve the stereo.

Would you buy another car from this manufacturer? Yes

Review Date: 3rd December, 2007

12th Feb 2008, 02:51

Further to the above, Fiat has offered a £50 voucher as goodwill, which I am pleased about.

Now at 4500 miles and still very impressed with the car which is running in nicely and driving better than ever.

Minor faults: NS screenwasher jet faulty (exact same fault as on our Panda, centre piece drops/slides out), driver's seat creaking slightly on corners, otherwise nothing.

Impressive for Fiat, and better quality than the Citroen Berlingo I bought previously, which had various faults.