5th Feb 2007, 18:46
Hey, just wondering which of the domestic automakers is paying all the "experts" on this board. Probably not Chrysler, which announced 10,000 layoffs.
5th Feb 2007, 18:48
No it does not, and EVERY legitimate recording body says so, even the US government which has an agenda to encourage SUV use since it is the only thing keeping domestic automakers going.
6th Feb 2007, 07:06
What does SUV safety have to do with the Ford Fusion? Lets get back to talking about how mediocre this vehicle is.
6th Feb 2007, 11:00
Ford has a long and storied history of designing cars that kill people, most recently their Explorer SUV.
So it is apropo about whether the Fusion is actually safe or not.
6th Feb 2007, 11:13
OK, one more attempt at a SANE look at the SUV vs. little car issue and then I'll leave the anti-rationality, anti-laws of physics crowd to fend for themselves in their self-imposed ignorance. YES, SUV's roll over easily. NO ONE SAID THEY DIDN'T. But to argue that a small car like a Civic, Corolla or even the well-built Fusion could come out best in a COLLISION with one is tantamount to endorsing suicide!! In one instance a friend of ours driving a BMW 740, which is a big, VERY WELL BUILT car, hit a large GM SUV head-on. The BMW driver got a crushed leg (the car caved in back to the driver's seat) and had to have months of physical therapy. The SUV driver got not a scratch. I am NOT a fan of SUV's, I'm a very caring and compassionate person who has seen the results of car/SUV collisions (NOT SUV rollovers). Cars NEVER WIN a contests with SUV's...EVER. If you want to continue to believe something that is a physical impossibility go ahead... and say "Hi" to Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny for me.
6th Feb 2007, 12:59
6th Feb 2007, 07:06:
Sure, we can keep talking about how mediocre the Fusion is. While we're at it, we should at least make an effort to mention the bland, blase mediocrity of the Accord and Camry. Equal opportunity and all that. You do own an Accord or Camry, right? Somehow that's the impression you've given me.
6th Feb 2007, 15:40
No, I don't own a Camry or an Accord, I do own a Lexus IS350 though. I used to own a Ford before, and man that was one of the biggest mistakes I have ever made, so I am talking from experience.
6th Feb 2007, 17:34
Wow, you mean even well-built eggs can be smashed by heavier, lumbering objects? That's not what the import slaves have been intoning! Who would have thunk it?? Try repeating the experiment with a pop can, to simulate the "crumple zones". A pop can is pretty close to reality for most Toyotas, anyway. Maybe even a little nicer.
6th Feb 2007, 17:58
<<Cars NEVER WIN a contests with SUV's...EVER. >.
Proof please. Cite REAL statistics that back that up since the reality is the opposite.
Also please explain why accident deaths/injuries have consistently gone DOWN since safety devices were introduced even though cars themselves have gotten smaller. Also explain why this trend reversed itself once SUVs became popular.
6th Feb 2007, 18:55
Well, others can talk from "experience" too. The two Japanese imports our household had were total garbage. On the other hand, our family members have put over 300,000 trouble-free miles on Ford cars, and 2 family companies use the VERY RELIABLE Ford Ranger and Ford vans in their businesses. Some of the fleet of Rangers dates back to 1993 and none have had a mechanical problem. The Lexus (a Toyota with 15 grand tacked on) is no more reliable than a Ford.
6th Feb 2007, 19:06
Yup, I bought a "new millennium" Ford - a car that was supposed to be sooo advanced and quality built, and it was in the shop so much I sold it at a loss.
And now with morale at all-times lows including the threat of more job cuts, one has to wonder what type of "quality built" cars they are churning out.
6th Feb 2007, 22:12
<<The Lexus (a Toyota with 15 grand tacked on) is no more reliable than a Ford.>.
Just ignore all those JD Power surveys that say the polar opposite.
6th Feb 2007, 22:25
Proof please. Also please explain how a pop can has crumple zones, safety cell, several airbags, engine fuel cut off, and so on.
I'm waiting...
6th Feb 2007, 23:27
I hear that "Egg and Driver" has listed ALL JAPANESE eggs in it's "10 Best Eggs" list for 2007, and warns that bowling balls are prone to roll over. Of course one should keep in mind that "Egg and Driver" is wholly owned by HONDA.
6th Feb 2007, 23:30
I asked my kitten, Snuggles, if she'd be willing to try the crash test again using her "Escalade" bowling ball against a pop can. She was afraid the pop can might hurt her and suggested using a Corolla instead.
7th Feb 2007, 07:39
That is a great point. If Ford built garbage when their workers morale was average (They are union so they do not care about quality as they are being overpaid anyway). Imagine it when their morale is at all time low?
7th Feb 2007, 09:11
After reading a lot of comments on various boards here I find it really funny that these diehard domestic owners ALWAYS seem to have owned one or more foreign cars (one has to wonder how that's even possible since they hate the cars to begin with) that ALWAYS break down, yet their American cars regardless of make, year, or quality, ALWAYS seem to run for 100,000's of miles without a single problem.
7th Feb 2007, 10:00
Funny how when the North American Car and Truck of the Year was announced and they were both GM vehicles you people couldn't brag enough about it.
Yet that award is based on votes from writers from AUTO MAGAZINES.
7th Feb 2007, 16:14
Please explain where all the "garbage" is that Ford has allegedly "always built". Also, it would be nice to hear why thousands of companies continue to use Ford trucks, vans and cars as company vehicles. It's also interesting that the Fusion now ranks HIGHER in reliability than Camry or Accord.
7th Feb 2007, 18:24
Isn't it funny to see people defending an import (Ford Fusion - built in Mexico) over a domestic (Camry and Accord are built in America).
8th Feb 2007, 08:09
Contour, Windstar, Explorer, ZX2, and Escape are a few examples (there are more).
Companies use Ford vehicles because they are cheaper to buy and the companies get fleet discounts, but its not because they are better then the competition. I will admit ford makes good TRUCKS like F150 but that is it they are a truck company not a car company.
The Fusion more reliable then the Camry or Accord? HAHAHAHAHA what are you smoking? The Fusion has only been out for a year so I would not call a car that has been out that long reliable. Wait after your initial warranty runs out then we will talk.
5th Feb 2007, 18:43
<<I am very savvy in physics and I just about died laughing at the comment stating that an egg COULD smash a bowling ball (comment 15:49).
I never said that or implied it.