I am the poster of 09:47, and yes, I surely am talking about ROAD NOISE. Even after changing the run flat tires in my RAV-4, it was still noisy as hell.
The conversation shouting is a little far fetched.
The loudest road noise I have ever heard in any car was a RAV-4. I don't think they use any sound insulation. Constant roar at highway speed.
I just bought a brand new 2012 Accord EX Coupe with a manual transmission a few weeks ago. Gotta be the quietest car I've ever been in. I'll occasionally find myself doing 80-90 mph on the freeway, and have no idea what you guys are talking about. Horrible road noise? Even when I have the sunroof open at 70 mph, I can still have a normal conversation with my passengers.
I did find the seat a little uncomfortable at first. But I don't even notice it any more. Guess your body has to get used to it.
This car is so fun to drive. I would have gotten a newer model, but the dealer I went to did not have any 13 in manual transmissions with a sunroof in my price range. The only problem I have is going from a 99 Civic that would get 35-38 MPG on the freeway to getting only 29 MPG on the freeway. My Accord only has 2k on it, I'm hoping that it'll get better mileage when I put more thousands of miles on it. But the power on this 2.4 engine is SO much better than my Civic.
If your old school, get a manual tranny. You will not regret it. Heard and read that the automatics sometimes have a little lag when pushing on the gas from a complete stop or when trying to pass another car. A problem I'll never have to worry about.
The 2.4 litre 4 cylinder Honda engine is one of the best there is IMHO. I have a 2003 Element with a 2.4 and manual and it is AWESOME. 162,000 miles and still doesn't use a drop of oil between oil changes and runs like new. A Honda with a 2.4 litre 4 and manual transmission is a car that will last almost forever. You can't go wrong with it!
I am in total agreement... a capital purchase second only to a home for most. You find out so much more when you take a car for a day... I would never spend thousands after a few minutes in a car.
I don't believe a 2.4L Accord will normally go up to 100mph. I do know that this should NEVER be attempted. The V6 model can, though the very idea is ridiculous and unwise. This is a family sedan, not a sports car!
I must disagree about testing extreme braking conditions (but not from 100 mph !). Most people will find emergency braking conditions to be required sooner or later. But, testing extreme braking is only justifiable at legal speed limits.
What's your point? That dealership personnel are idiots? All model cars are toughest when they are brand new. Just because abusive dealership people can get away with this, doesn't mean they aren't hurting the cars in the long run.
How about renting the car you want to buy from a car rental company, for a day or two. It will be a hundred bucks and chances are it will show better if you like it or not. When shopping and test driving a car for only 15 minutes, there is the 'new product' rush, and that's not a good moment to notice some downsides. In 15 minutes, given the attraction of a new car, some things will be obvious, while other won't. Several car rental companies offer a large variety of models, a good point to start with. I did buy a new car once, it felt it was just right during the short test drive. After a year I sold it, I was just hating driving it - no mechanical troubles, just the driving thing wasn't there.