2nd Mar 2007, 18:07
14:16 Thanks.
18:14 More GM car four cylinders (their truck 4's hold up very well though) have problems than Toyota and Honda's do, however a Ford four cylinder seems to be almost as good or just as good as either of the Japanese. We also seem to see more Honda's in for engine work than Toyota's.
You can't tell anything about how an engine is built by just driving it. Take it apart, look at how strongly made the parts are, Check how complicated the engine is, And check the grade of materials used then tell me how strong (I've yet to see an engine that I would describe as sophisticated) the engine is. And I would also watch out Honda's auto trans too they are very hit or miss especially with a v6 Honda. And remember everybody you want a STRONG engine not a sophisticated one.
2nd Mar 2007, 23:18
My uncle has a Ford I-4. It dropped the valves down into the cylinders! I do not think this is Toyota or Honda stuff. My I-4 Honda has 251,000 miles and runs great! I do not know what you speak of when you say they have a lot of problems since in my family we have 7 Honda 4 cylinders ranging from 1994-2006 and two Honda V-6's that are from 1999 that have no transmission problems. I have a lot of friends who drive Pilots and MDX's and they have no transmission problems either. SO REALLY IT IS YOUR OPINION RIGHT NOW THAT HONDA 4 CYLINDERS ARE PROBLEMSOME. I AGREE ABOUT THE TRANSMISSION PROBLEMS, but ONLY IN ACURA TL'S, HONDA ODYSSEYS, AND A FEW ACCORDS AND MDX'S BUILT BETWEEN 2000-2004. ESPECIALLY THE FIVE SPEED COUPLED TO THE 3.2 AND 3.5 ENGINES.
3rd Mar 2007, 07:15
Sorry, but I can certainly tell if an engine is sophisticated or not simply by driving it. Most car enthusiasts can do that, and real mechanics as well. And every auto magazine I've read (you know, people who MUST know cars for a living) have described the fit's engine as "sophisticated".
If you've never seen a sophisticated engine you either don't see enough engines or you simply work on farm equipment, because engines today are significantly more advanced than engines built even 10 years ago.
And I have owned or know people who have owned over 30 Hondas, and NONE of them had problems with their engines, so I can safely say I KNOW how durable their engines are.
3rd Mar 2007, 09:20
You must have not even read and/or understood my post. You also write as if you're a little young to know anything about any vehicle. Where I'm coming from there is no such thing as an opinion, and I didn't call any engine unreliable; some are just more reliable than others.
3rd Mar 2007, 21:28
My uncle drives about 75 miles a day on his commute and he never goes over 60 miles per hour. His last car a Dodge Omni Charger got to 406,000 miles before anything went wrong. He bought that Charger new. So don't you accuse him of redlining it. IS it possible to redline a Escort wagon? Maybe at 2000 rpms...
3rd Mar 2007, 21:29
Yes I am young, but I am from Detroit Michigan and I have toured almost all the car plants in Detroit and have seen the cars apart more than you have ever.
4th Mar 2007, 05:10
Wrong again. I have done much more than just take a brief tour through Detroit's car plants. I take cars from manufacturers all around the world apart with my own two hands to diagnose and fix them, then I put them back together day in and day out for the last 26 years. This is something that I am quite sure you have never experienced judging by the things that you write.
4th Mar 2007, 06:59
So why aren't you talking about how great Dodge 4-cylinders are? Seems like that Dodge blew the Japanese and Ford cars under discussion right out of the water. It was the same in the old days: everybody would argue Ford vs. Chevy, and meanwhile the Dodge was better than both.
4th Mar 2007, 07:19
Living in Detroit, and going on tours of a few factories does not endow you with any level of expertise regarding mechanical engineering. Funny how the young are so opinionated and passionate about their few (yet unfounded) beliefs. We were all that way once, so we understand. But as you get older, you learn the difference between truth, belief and fact. You can believe it with all your heart, but that doesn't make it a fact. You can know a few facts, and still not know the truth. You act as though if your favorite cars are not the best in the world, it takes away your self worth, or something.
Vehicles are all pretty much the same, with the exception of cases like the bad ball joints on some Dodge Durangos, or the soft valve guides on some of the '80s Ford 4 and 6 cylinders. Most of it comes down to how the owner takes care of it. Engines have improved in the aspect of longevity across the board. In 1970, 100,000 miles was considered almost done in. In the 1980's, domestic cars still had lots of life left in them at 150,000 miles. Many people are excited about hitting 200,000 miles because that used to be considered extreme, but the engineering improved so quickly that it surprised people. Now, it seems like every Dodge, Plymouth, Ford, Chevrolet, and Cadillac that we have owned since 1980 has been doing that routinely.
4th Mar 2007, 10:42
Wow I am being accused of being wrong just because I have been inside engine plants and inside the car factories and have seen box's of doors or piles of sheet metal turn into cars. I don't want to be the target of a angry car monkey who thinks he is superior to everyone else on this site and he drives a Ford Escort with a better four cylinder than my Honda Civic. I am just some kid who has been researching cars since I was very young-- I have witnessed two lemons from Ford (not including the 1995 Ford Escort wagon that while we were driving on I-96 in Michigan had its valves sag down into the firing chamber ultimately causing the crankshaft to rip a giant hole into the engine--destroying the engine) don't ask me how it happened and the car had all its maintenance up to date; have witnessed a Chevrolet of ours go through 2 engines because of manufacturing defects; and I have witnessed a few Honda's run just as well as a brand new Ford at a quarter million miles with everything being original in the Honda except the timing belt. (maybe caveman technology like you say Honda has is more reliable). I cannot believe you sit here and say I am wrong when you have not had to go through the hardship many Americans including myself and my family have had to go through because of poor manufacturing practices of Ford and GM. Take note that they are losing money to this very second and your monkey mouth talking won't solve any accounting errors.
2nd Mar 2007, 16:55
I've used Consumer Reports to figure which systems will fail first on my cars. Shore 'nuf, if Consumer Reports says my car has a weak system, that system is what failed first. In general, C.R. says: of 100 Asian cars, 11 will have problems; of 100 American cars, 16 will have problems; of 100 European cars, 19 will have problems. Because C.R. predicted (& I knew what systems would fail on my cars first), I believe C.R. Some people say C.R. "isn't scientific". C.R. predicted my cars' failures. "Scientific or not", I believe C.R.