2000 Peugeot 106 GTi from UK and Ireland - Comments

I've got a GTi, which is standard except for an Ecosse forced induction kit. This makes a mad difference, had it dyno'd and it proved 132bhp from just an induction kit. The 0-60 dropped from 7.9sec to 7.3sec. The GTi is more fun than a 172 or Williams, not to mention the Williams are all old high mileage cars, and the 172 for the price should be a lot faster than it is. I disagree about shrugging off Type R's, this isn't going to happen, but standard RS Turbos cannot keep up with me.

I used to own a 172. (I am now the proud owner of a stage 3 Sapphire Cossie 402bhp proven). However, to claim that a 106 GTI can keep up with a 172 is completly obsurd. I have smoked loads off the mark and round the track at Donny track days. To claim that by putting an induction kit and exhaust on to a car that has a 0-60 time of 8.7s will move it into the sub 7 seconds category is lunacy. Who's tuning these 106's for you? An F1 Engineer? You would be lucky to get 0.7 seconds and 8bhp.

Now don't get me wrong, I don't think the 172 is fast. It certainly isn't. Its merely a nippy little hot hatch with a nice engine. I have been in and driven much faster cars.

But some of these claims are insane.

The 172 has a geniune racing heritage, perhaps this 'stigma' is what you 106 owners so desperatly crave by comparing your car to it.

Oh yeah, and you with the TVR... I'm looking for you.

I take it all you gti owners comparing a williams hav never driven one then then

standard williams over 106 ne day

hav owned both so my opinon is un biest

the low down torque you crave...

The extra power and speed...

Only 50 more kg, but 30 more bhp

handling 2nd 2 none.

Hav a word wiv urselfs.

And you wiv the tvr, stop driving a poor mans sports car and get a ferarri.

Regarding the earlier comments about the Clio 172 being faster than the 106 GTi... it depends who's driving.

My best mate has a bog standard 182 (not the Cup version though), and when we race from a standing start, he's usually only one or two car lengths ahead of my 106 GTi at 130mph.

The only mod to my 106 is a K&N induction kit fitted by the previous owner. It's not as though it's his driving which is at fault either, as we've swapped cars and raced in each others. The results were the same - only a couple of car lengths in it at 130mph.

When you consider that his is a 2 litre and my 106 is only a 1.6, you realise that the 106 is damn quick for what it is. Obviously there are cars out there which will beat it, but there aren't many which are as fun to drive as either the Clio 182 or the 106 GTi.

I'm glad I bought mine, best 4 grand I've ever spent.

I also own a W-plate 106 GTi, but have just bought a new (ie. "old" model) Civic Type-R. Just to put paid to the previous comment that spawned so many replies, it's ludicrous to suggest that the Pug could be faster.

I had some reservations that the Type-R might not handle quite as well as the Pug, but they turned out to be unfounded - the CTR has the advantage.

I have a K&N "Generation 2" (I think it's called?!?). Don't be put off by comments that I saw prior to getting it that you'll have trouble starting the car on cold days - for me, it was never an issue.

I had a Milltek system for a while, and I'd recommend it - I can't offer a comparison with the Magnex exhaust, except to say that you see the Magnex's on a lot of cars.

I didn't notice any significant gain with the filter (this went on before the exhaust) but there was a noticeable improvement when the exhaust went on.

I'd recommend spark plugs. It's such a small thing that most people ignore, but for what it costs for a set of "peformance" plugs, it's definitely worthwhile. I'd swear blind that there was a gain, and more than you'd expect for a few coins.

I'd also recommend Shell Optimax and Goodyear Eagle F1 tyres.

To anyone thinking of buying a GTi: Get one now, before they get any older. It's a fantastic car, value for money, and great fun. Mine rattles, squeeks, and leaks, but it's still great. Think of it more like a roller skate than a car. Fantastic handling, nippy, and understated. I've had a few problems with the electrics, and the suspension. The latter seems to be a common problem that you need to look out for.

There are many reviews against it - it's "old fashioned", "basic", "unsafe", etc. These people are missing the point - it's a toy. I've given it solid abuse that no car should stand up to, for five years now. It's done 80k miles, and I'm still not bored with it.

I wouldn't believe the 106 stated 0-60 times. they are wrong! lets take the pug 106 1.6xs. now parkers.co.uk state it to be 0-60 in 11.8 seconds. Now the car weighs 895kg and has the same engine as the 1997 saxo vtr. a 1997 saxo vtr is rated 0-60 in 9.9 seconds which I believe is a correct time. the 97 vtr weighs 920kg so how can the pug 106 xs be slower?

It isn't slower because my friend has owned one and its barely if at all slower than a 99 saxo vtr! so the stated 11.8seconds is not true. the same can be said for the 106 gti. parkers state it to be 0-60 in 8.4 seconds. now I used to disbelieve gti owners who stated their cars could do 0-60 in 7.6 seconds etc. but this 0-60 time is more to the truth.

Lets take the 106 1.6 xs as a reference car. this car I know for sure does 0-60 in 9.5 seconds. now this car weighs 895kg has 90bhp and 100lbs/ft of torque. this car has 100.56bhp/ton (1000/895 x 90) and 111.73lbs/ft (1000/895 x 100) of torque. now I have discovered from other mathematical calculations (which I won't get into), that approximately 8bhp/ton equates to 0.5seconds and 12lbs/ft of torque equates to 0.5 seconds. so if I take the 106 gti's figures and subtract the 106 xs' figures from them I will be left with a torque per ton and horsepower per ton difference. this difference can be used to solve the time difference between the 106 xs (9.5second) car and the 106gti (quoted 8.4seconds) to see if the 0-60 time stated is true. so..

106gti weighs 950kg has 120bhp and 107lbs/ft of torque.

1000/950 x 120 = 126.31579bhp/ton

1000/950 x 107 = 112.631579lbs/ft torque per ton

so subtracting 106 xs from 106 gti gives

126.32 - 100.56 = 25.76bhp/ton difference

112.63 - 111.73 = 0.9lbs/ft per ton difference

so these differences represent the gti's superior performance and to put them into time we use the approximate figures I gave before (8bhp/ton = 0.5sec and 12lbs/ft of torque/ton = 0.5sec) to convert them into time and so subtract them from the 9.5second true time of the 106 1.6 xs.

25.76/8 = 3.22, 3.22 x 0.5sec = 1.61seconds quicker

0.9/12 = 0.0375, 0.0375 x 0.5 = 0.01875seconds quicker

this give us a total of 1.62875seconds quicker than the 9.5second 106 xs and so giving the gti a 0-60 time of 9.5 - 1.63 = 7.87seconds. that's a whole 0.5 seconds quicker than what parkers state its performance!

This mathematical workings seem true for many cars and I've tried it on a lot of examples and have discovered a patern. this theory works for motor vehicles right up to around the 6.8 second mark and anything quicker becomes basically of the map. lets take the 182 cup for example. I applied this method for it and it turns out that the 182 cup can potentially achieve 4.35seconds.

Now a clio 182 could never do 0-60 in 4.35 seconds which is why as soon as I saw this result I immediately thought - the renualt clio 182 has more power than it can apply effectively. this is due to factors such as wind resistance, downforce mechanical friction etc. it has more power than it can use! in general hot hatches like the clio 182 have not been designed to overcome these resistances to acceleration and so the actual vehicle itself had the potential to achieve 0-60 in 4.35 seconds, but can only manage it in 6.9seconds.

So lets say you had a set up that gave your 106 gti an extra 10bhp for a new bhp of 130.

Your new bhp/ton would be 1000/950 x 130 = 136.84

subtract this from our reference car 136.84 - 100.56 = 36.28bhp/ton

this is equal to 36.28/8 = 4.535, 4.535 x 0.5sec = 2.2676seconds

9.5seconds (106 xs) - 2.2676seconds (130bhp gti) = 7.23second 0-60 time!

So a modified 106 gti can keep pace with a clio 182 cup!

That will do for now, but I have other ideas I've thought about like advantages of having more power than necessary, and the effects of having weight advantages, but i'll post these some other time.

My conclusion is the 106 gti really is quite something and the only thing that deters me from buying one is their reliability!

I own a T Reg 106 GTi, and it is well Rapid!!! My mate had a Rover Tomcat 1.6 16v and he thinks it would have beat me lol not much more to say except to laff in his face!

I have a standard 106 gti 51 plate. it's a great lil hothatch! I'm thinking of ordering a ecosse forced air induction kit, will this make my car sound a bit more beefier coz at the moment it just sounds like any old standard car.

I am reluctant to get a sporty back box coz they are too loud for every day driving. I quite like the sound of getting a competition down pipe, 4 branch manifold de-cat, but don't know much about them. does any one know whats best to get or what the purformance change will be? also can you change these parts of your system without changeing your back box?

I have a pug 106 1.1 exhaust and induction kit timed 0-60 in 11secs flat explain this as to how an xsi does 11.8 in parkers

just shows they don't know what thy are on about!

Its true about the 106 gti keeping up with clio 172's as I had witnessed at certain clio club meetings, on private roads of course.

I have a 1.1 106. There is no way a 1.1 does 0-60 in 11 seconds, that is rubbish!

Mine has induction kit, powerflow exhaust and de-cat, and there is still no way it would do 0-60 in 11 seconds.

I've had it 3 years now, saving for my GTi still. Can't wait!!! No way a 1.1 does 0-60 in 11 seconds, it's got less bhp than a quicksilver (75bhp).

Everyone knows the xs/xsi is quicker (105bhp). A 1.1 is about 60bhp tops! No way, No way, No way, No way would it do 0-60 in 11 secs!!! NO WAY!!!

My gti does 0-60 in 6.9 with full scorpion exhaust system and k&n gen 2 induction kit, don't be fooled these cars are not toys for young kids, they are SERIOUSLY fast! love it tho.

According to parkers, whatcar and streetcar. net the 106 gti does 0-60 in 8.4. its laughable that you think with an induction kit you are going to get to the same speed as a clio 182 cup. a 106 gti is a mere warm hatch in a market full of hot hatches.

I suppose the big question I would be asking is which one of these will have bits dropping off first the 106 or clio?

I have a 106 gti and I can say its very fast for what it is, people underestimate these 106 gti's buy 1 your self then you will be suprised.