8th Nov 2010, 17:08
To the last comment:
I can understand why you chose the Peugeot GTi 180, because of wanting torque you can use around town etc., the Clio drives in a similar way as it has a decent amount of torque for its size that can be used throughout the rev range.
However, I noted that you said you didn't like the Civic Type-R because of it's high rev band, (basically having to rev it to get it in the vtec zone), which is fair enough as it is tuned that way, and you then go on to say that you wish to upgrade your engine with a bigger throttle body and cams etc.
If you put sportier cams in the engine, then it will give you more power, but it will also push the power higher up the rev range as well, thus giving you an engine with the characteristics of a Civic Type-R engine (i.e. not much power until you build the revs right up), which will make it lumpy around town, terrible fuel economy and an absolute pain unless you're driving round with your hair on fire everywhere, which let's face it, was one of your main complaints in the first place regarding the Civic Type R.
Just a thought.
13th Dec 2012, 16:40
To the fella with the 297 BHP 206 GTi 180. Could we get in touch somehow, as I have a 180 and I'm doing it up myself, but a lot of garages I speak to don't know much about tuning these cars.
14th Dec 2012, 09:58
To the person that made the comment saying that with wild cams it makes it lumpy around town, and poor fuel economy like a Civic Type R, obviously has no idea how VTEC works.
Two sets of cam lobes:
1. For fuel economy and driving normally around town.
2. For performance and maximum power.
Best of both worlds, and I don't have a Civic, I have the Integra Type R dc5 with a very similar k20 engine, which on a run achieves 37-39 MPG, and now with bolt on parts (intake, header, exhaust, inlet) with tuning sits at 247.6bhp.
I'd love to see the Peugeot lump achieve that.
13th Sep 2013, 07:30
Hi, I'm very interested in your work. Can you send me an email to firstname.lastname@example.org. I have a C4 VTS 180 and want modify it.
9th Jun 2015, 18:41
I have always enjoyed performance modifications for my vehicle.
Your expertise is very useful when choosing a vehicle to modify.
John from Wales.
19th Sep 2015, 18:00
2 sets of cam lobes?!? I don't think so mate. They have the ability to adjust the timing via hydraulic adjustment! What do you think happens, that the engine switches from one part of the camshaft to another at a certain speed?? You sir are the one who needs to understand how VVT/VTEC works before you start trying to tell others the facts.
20th Nov 2016, 11:04
The head on the 180 was in part designed by Renault F1, but the engines are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. To get to 297 BHP you must have fully forged the engine, bought a piggyback ECU, new injectors, advanced the ignition, performance inlet manifold, custom exhaust manifold, cams and a turbo setup. And I know for a fact, there's no turbo 180s in the UK, there's one similar in Holland, but that's it.
Plus the premier edition ep3 Type R is better in every way; I've owned both and driven both on the track. The ep3 is 6 seconds a lap faster around Cadwell Park (standard vs standard), and if you don't like revving a car, buy a diesel s***box and drive to Tescos, maybe performance vehicles aren't for you...
16th May 2017, 12:28
Re: the post on 24th Nov 2009, 16:00.
Hopeful, I know, but:
Up front, I've got to say, I'm quite skeptical about the gains you're quoting. But I'd be delighted for you to be proved right.
For 240bhp, I'd be expecting to replace cams, injectors, throttle body and run a stand-alone ECU. For it to last more than 5 minutes and for anything like 297bhp, I'd imagine a forged bottom end would be essential.
But, this is all guesswork. If you've done it and don't mind telling me how, please let me know. That goes for anybody else that knows anything about decent gains from this engine. I'll be building mine from scratch, so replacing parts isn't a problem. Crazy prices are, but I'd cost it all before I started.