5th Nov 2009, 16:51

"So it's okay to you that Ford and GM are only shafting a certain number of people with their outsourcing as long as they are not hurting you? "

There you go, arguing the exception. Ford and GM always paid high union wages. It was your precious Honda and Toyota that undercut them by keeping out the unions, opening plants in poor rural areas where people were desperate enough to take jobs with no benefits. Ford and GM had no choice but to outsource some jobs in order to remain in business at all. Despite outsourcing some jobs, Ford and GM STILL employ more people than Honda and Toyota.

Your argument is akin to advocating shooting yourself in the head because you have an ingrown toenail. The reasonable course of action is to remove the infected part to allow the body to remain alive.

With your logic, you would apparently laud Carnegie and Vanderbilt for offering thousands of people jobs, never mind that they paid and engineered starvation wages for 18 hour days. That is thinking that comes from the Conservative Radio Network. And by the way, how did Honda and Toyota help the community where they built those plants when conservative southern congressmen gave them huge tax breaks just to open a (non-union) plant? They got the land for free, they got the plant for free, they don't pay taxes, and they get employees at cut-rate wages. So how is that good for the country? Please explain.

6th Nov 2009, 13:00

"So it's okay to you that Ford and GM are only shafting a certain number of people with their outsourcing as long as they are not hurting you?"

The guy is probably an engineer who doesn't give a hoot about the guys on the assembly line. Why else would he not care about outsourcing?