13th Feb 2007, 11:04
Poeple will always argue which is better, because each person has a different opinion.
Although I think almost anyone would take the ST over the Xsara VTS.
22nd Feb 2007, 04:20
I own a mk1 VTR that I have had for over a year now, and I love it. Yeah, I've had an issue with the door cards, and yeah the speakers are rubbish and have been upgraded, but with a couple of mods, the car is quick, turns heads, pulls well in all gears, has sporty seats, simple, but nice interior. It's a great all rounder.
I'm thinking of upgrading to a VTS, as nowadays you can pick up a bargain!
7th Sep 2007, 13:05
I have owned my Saxo VTR limited edition for about 5 months now! I must say, when I first got into the car, I was stunned, thought I would never drive such a nippy car, that actually pulled me back into my seat.
As for the Fiesta Zetec, I haven't actually raced one, but they do look OK I suppose, nothing compared to the Fiesta ST.
My only problem with the VTR is the fuel consumption. If you want to get 400 miles to a full tank, then you have to drive at about 50-60mph, everywhere. If you ever want to drop it from 4th to 3rd gear at 70mph, then beware as you will see your fuel stick go down!
27th Oct 2007, 21:22
Got to comment on the person who started talking like it was personal preference, and then went on 4 hours trying to say his VTR was the best.
I'm 17 with a Zetec S and I love it. Get so many looks pulling into 6th form, and it drives well. I'm sure people would say the same about their VTR/VTS.
As long as your happy with your car, who cares?
If you come on here desperately trying to make out your car is better, you obviously have doubts about it.
I'm sure if you weighed up the pros and cons, the VTR/VTS and Zetec-S would be pretty much equal.
28th Oct 2007, 10:33
VTR and Zetec S are both no good. My chipped 2.0 Focus eats them both; it will keep up with a VTS up to about 85, then it pulls ahead. Why am I saying this? Because it's only group 8 insurance; same as a Zetec S, only much faster even in standard form. It also handles better.
30th Oct 2007, 13:21
I had a mk2 VTR, lowered 35mm, made some difference to the handling. My friend who had an 06 Astra described the Saxo's handling as immense when he drove it, and commented that the acceleration is better than you expect. Although it was not a fast car by the way. I now drive a 318ti, which seems to be lacking in the handling department compared with the VTR, but it's not a fair judgement really as I have only had it a few weeks.
It would be interesting to see the Focus and a VTR on track against each other, although that I will probably never see.
I do remember hearing something about the 106GTI/ VTR/S being the second best handling of cars in the world. Although I'm not sure how true that is.
11th Mar 2008, 15:51
Some very good points that people have made about their cars.
I personally think that Citroen Saxo's are very good cars for the money. They are a cheap car, so what do you expect from it after a period of several years? Same goes for the Zetec and so on. The quality of them is bound to decrease dramatically. But only if you do not keep them maintained and under control!
I own a Saxo VTR mk2, and for now in my opinion, it's one of the best cars around at the moment. I have done minor tweaks to the engine and mechanical of the car, which has added BHP and improved handling.
A friend of mine owns an '05 plate Renault Clio Sport 182, with modifications to boost the power to 200bhp, which make it go like stink.
Now I have lost my train of thought, so I think I will go and take a rest. Please do not take any of my comments or opinion as if I am boasting or whatever.
12th Mar 2008, 05:41
It's laughable that some one thinks a Focus will out handle a 106 GTI/Saxo VTS. These cars are like go-carts round a bend. Keep the Focus for the shopping, it's better at that.
12th Mar 2008, 10:07
What did the Clio comment have to do with anything? You didn't even relate it to another car. My brother had two Ford Fiesta Zetec S' and they were completely different cars, his first one (in imperial blue) was brilliant and pulled really well, but the other one seemed slow in comparison and had lots of niggly faults. I have read that many of the Zetec S' came out of the factory with more bhp than they were meant to (one guy had a standard Zetec S which produced just over 120bhp on a rolling road), and wonder if he had one low bhp and one higher as the difference was very noticeable. In the first Fiesta he beat every VTR he came up against and in the second I don't know as he wouldn't tell me-kind of suggests not so many.
Personally I wouldn't touch either car, the Saxo because it's french tat held together with plastic clips and with about as much reliability as the British rail service, and the Fiesta because the body rusts, and my brothers second one was a pig with electronics, not to mention the bizarre power difference.
Neither car is really that special, 0-60 is 10 seconds or thereabouts for both cars, plenty of other cars equal this e.g. a normal 1.4 16v Rover 200 does 0-60 in 10.5 seconds. Or an Astra 1.6/1.8 would be similar, same with a Focus... the list goes on.
I drive an MG ZR diesel 99bhp with a book figure 0-60 in 9.7 seconds. It is only group 7 insurance (if you have the Rover 25 version), and it's an engine renowned for reliability, which is why I bought it; which brings us back to the Saxo and Fiesta. If you have one and like it for the way it drives (or whatever else) fine, but don't claim you own a very quick car because you don't. Mine is faster than yours and I don't go around boasting my car is super fast-because it's not. It's mildly quick.
13th Mar 2008, 13:12
LOL you've obviously never been in a 3dr 2.0 ESP Focus. Read any review of the mrk1 Focus, and it will say best handling family hatch. Far better suspension than the crappy torsion bar you get with a Saxo.
14th Mar 2008, 15:19
I've driven both and even owned a VTR a few years back, and anywhere near the limit the Saxo understeers (even with expensive sports tyres), whereas the Focus still grips confidently. The Saxo is good, don't get me wrong, but the Focus is just better.
And the extra torque from the 2.0 engine is enough to make the Focus a more rewarding driving experience, as well as an all round better car.
Saxo's are just WAY too tinny and poorly built for everyday life...