I could have bought a new Buick cheaper than my Hondas. Honda's Acura models TL and the RL model new are over 50k. I still had drivetrain issues.
To 10:30: Sorry you didn't buy the Buick. It's a far better built and more reliable car. J.D. powers just ranked Buick and Ford tops in long range reliability. Honda is WAYYYY down the list. We sold a Buick last year with 277,000 trouble-free miles. It never required a single repair except for 3 brake pad replacements. Our current GM has 80,000+ miles and has never even had a brake job.
All good for Buick but who drives them? Seniors.
As for Fords, I mostly see Italians driving those and then the rest (brand loyalty maybe?).
Ford and Buicks do sound like reliable cars for domestics, but Buick is no Lexus or Acura and Infinity. Never will be.
And Honda, or Toyota, (Korean brands too) still top in reliability and efficiency. There's currently no argument in that.
I also drove a Jeep, 1994 Wrangler, and it was the biggest money pit I have owned out of 25+ vehicles.
This site is one of the most valuable resources to me when researching my next ride, and I thank everyone for putting in the effort... but this thread seems to have lost its way.
I would say that if I bought a Honda Accord with a manual transmission, problem solved. All of the issues seem to be with automatics.
I don't want a GM product, because the last two I owned were half-made in Canada and required two sets of tools... it had nothing to do with being patriotic.
A lot of 'foreign' cars are made in the US, and Americans get paid to build them... while many 'domestic' cars are built in other countries, or half-built there and assembled here.
I'm with the other people on this forum who say it is the lawmakers and corporations that have wrecked the idea of buying into patriotism. We don't really even make anything anymore.
16:37 has it right, the only people I see driving Buicks are over 60 years old... or Hoopdie Riders in a beat up old 80's model. Arguing the reliability of a Buick against a Honda/Acura is bizarre, they aren't even in the same league. Take a ride in a Buick, then an Acura... and tell me they are comparable.
For those of us who witnessed the horrible domestic rides of the 1980's, all we see now are domestics trying to copy imports... again. The only place domestics have ever had an edge was full sized trucks... and even that is waning now, too.
That's true. I have older friends with Buick GS and GSX models, 69-72, 455 4 speeds, and some are convertibles. They have the higher income to afford them.
Also there is no demise of full size trucks; they are getting more luxury elements added every year. Some as nice as loaded SUVs in the Ford and GM lineup.
It's hard to label people, nor do I really care to do so. I see many younger people buying big, well restored land yachts, and they love them as well.
I have taken a ride and driven many Buicks, due to the fact that there are 3 in our family and my dad has been buying them for the past 50 years.
As a mechanic, I have also driven and repaired many Acura models. Sorry, but the Buick ride and reliability wins hands down. This includes the so-called horrible full size and midsize Buicks from the 1980's.
Yes, today many domestics are trying to copy imports; in the styling department that is, and if you ask me, I would say that the Buick LaCrosse is a poor excuse for a flagship Buick.
Buick and Lexus have traded places as the worlds best car for two decades now. Few cars compare to any Buick, and certainly no cheaper cars such as Honda.
I've ridden in friend's Acuras and Accords. Both were tinny and full of rattles. Both had horrible road noise.
No, there certainly isn't any comparison between Buick and Honda. Hondas are poorly built and flimsy. Buicks are solidly built, very quiet, and for two decades have been either number one or number two in overall build quality.
And frankly I could care less how old people who drive them are.
Full size domestic trucks are hardly "waning". They are increasing in sales each month. Ford, GM and Chrysler have all had to add hundreds more workers to meet demands for production. The Ford F-150 is in its fourth DECADE as the world's best seller. The April car and truck sales figures for the U.S. were just released. GM and Ford are number 1 and 2 again for many months in a row.
With the failure of the poor full sized truck offerings from Toyota and Nissan, domestic trucks have no competition.
Way off. Domestic full size trucks are hot. Toyota sales dropped last month. The worst cars I ever owned were Acura TL models bought new (trans after trans). But in turn, new Legends I owned earlier were exceptional. If you want to dwell on the 80s, I agree, find a used low mileage Toyota or Honda made in Japan. After 2000, I will pass!