"Crappy part of deal is that they put my into a base model Hyundai Accent for two days... Embarrassing."
Isn't it more embarrassing that your Accord, that was three times as costly as the Hyundai, was in the shop while the Hyundai was carting you around and working properly doing it?
The worst car I ever owned was a Honda. When I spend money for a new car, I expect ZERO problems for YEARS to come. Our Honda was a disaster from day one. We switched to Ford and have never had a single problem in 21 years.
Last Ford I owned managed to make 105,000 miles, at that point the transmission died. Not to mention the nearly $6,000 in unexpected repairs from 34,000 to 105,000 miles that it needed. I owned a '96 Honda Accord before my Ford that made 200,000 miles completely problem free. I sold it at that mileage while it was still running perfectly. Let's just say that was a big mistake.
Yeah, and I traded my Honda, that was problem free, for a Ford and it was in the shop dead at 8,000 miles. It was so dead it wouldn't take a jump! Now, after they fixed the SYNC, so it won't kill the car any more, the tire pressure sensor is malfunctioning and I still have less than 9K on it.
Point is, there are lemons in every line and all cars have problems at some point. I have had only a couple of perfect cars in my years of driving. One was a Chevy and the other was a Saab.
Yes and there are PLENTY of Honda owners that will never own another Ford because of the problems they experienced with that make.
I've got a novel idea - Why don't we ALL stop putting down the choice of vehicle the other guy is driving? Just because a Ford is right for you, doesn't mean that it is right for the Honda owner, and the Honda might not be right for the Ford owner.
Please, please, please stop trying shove Ford down my throat - I'm happy that you find Ford the perfect vehicle for you, but I am not interested in owning one. I'm really not interested in a Honda either for that matter.
What I drive might not be right for you, and I won't ever try to tell you it is better than what you drive.
It seems to me everyone should mind their own business as far as what the other guy or girl drives.
Our Honda was sold to a junk dealer at 99,000 miles. It had so many issues we lost track. The last straw was a failed engine bearing at 99,000 miles. The car was 7 years old and we were told it wasn't worth fixing. Our Ford was traded in great running condition at 325,000 miles. In the 17 years we owned it, it had cost us less than $500 in total repairs.
My Ford cost me over $6,000 in unexpected repairs in the 3 years that I owned it. At 105,000 miles, my transmission died and I was told that it was not worth fixing. I owned a Honda Accord before I bought that Ford and it went 200,000 miles without a single repair. All I did was put in oil, gas, one set of brake pads on the front rotors, and 2 new sets of tires. I sold it at 200,000 miles while it was still in perfect running condition.
F.O.R.D - Fix Or Repair Daily.
My worse buy ever and worse resale ever was a Honda. 2002 Acura TL Type S major repetitive drivetrain issues. Carfax helps; the buyers reports tell it all. I looked around no longer, not looking around again and again, old Hondas were better in our household, not later.
Both J.D, Powers and Consumer Reports rank Ford and GM higher in long term reliability than Honda or Toyota. I'm a mechanic, car enthusiast and member of two car clubs. No one I have ever known has gotten 200,000 miles out of a Camry or Accord. They may be out there, but they are rare (and well hidden). I routinely see Fords with over 300,000 miles. they are common. Every day I see domestics from the 70's. Where are all those super-reliable Japanese cars? I can assure you they are long since rusting in junk yards. There are no "old" Japanese cars, nor is there such a thing as a "classic" Japanese can.
I always thought the A in Hondas luxury Acura meant "Another Automatic" for us. See the trans issues on Honda Acura comments on Car Survey.
To comment 12:47:
Where do you live? I see Honda's and Toyota's with a lot more than 200,000 miles on them everyday. All my Honda's have made it over 200,000 miles. In fact, I've never owned a domestic that made it more than 140,000 miles.
"There are no "old" Japanese cars, nor is there such a thing as a "classic" Japanese can."
Where are you from? I see old Hondas and Toyota's way more than I see old Fords around here in southeastern NY. There are many 15 year old + or - Accords, Civics, Corolla's and Camry's around here. I also see tons of older Maxima's from the mid 90's. I don't know all of their mileage figures, but since I put about 20K per year on my cars, and this is commuter central going into the city, I can only imagine they are well into the 100K's for mileage.
As far as classics go. Americans shunned anything from the 60's and 70's, and didn't take to Japanese cars until the 80's, so classics don't exist other than maybe the old Datsun 240Z.
I live in the Northeast cold winters and lots of road salt. I think the bodies eat up first. I do not see the 200000 miles in wet cold salt area here.
To comment 12:45:
I was the one that wrote the response to your first comment. I have lived here in Massachusetts all my life. All my Honda's have made it to 200,000 miles. I've never had a Honda rust out. But then again, I wax my cars at least once a year, if not more.
"But then again, I wax my cars at least once a year, if not more."
Well, unless you crawl underneath it and wax all of the components, it isn't really going to prevent rust. Most of the time rust comes through from behind. The paint protects the metal from the front and that is what you are waxing, the paint.
While it is a good idea to wax regularly to help the paint do its job, your Honda's don't rust because they are built much better than they used to be.
Most cars these days will go for years with no rust due to all of the galvanized parts. Usually you'll just get a thin coating of surface rust underneath after 4 or 5 years if you don't get the underneath cleaned.
I always clean underneath my cars all winter at the self service car wash with high pressure hoses. I also completely clean the engine and engine bay every spring after the salt is gone. My truck still looks like it is new under the hood at over 80K miles. Simple cleaning can make a world of difference, especially in salt prone areas!
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