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You all need to relax - virtually all vehicles are assembled from parts from virtually everywhere. Just read the content section of the sticker on a new vehicle.
Drive what you prefer, do you think GM Ford or Chrysler care if their vehicles are assembled in America by Americans???
If they could turn a profit, they'd probably be building them in China for goodness sakes!
<<Ummmmmmmmmmmm. but when a Honda Accord hits a wall, or a fit or civic for that matter, the damage is contained to the front of the car!!! The whole car does not turn into a suitcase like the older Ford and Chevy pickups. The new "Ace" system from Honda should take care of crashes from larger pickup trucks and I here it is very effective for protection from run away trucks and suvs.>>
Yup, prove is in historic statistics. If American steel is what safety is dependent on, why were US fatality deaths so high until safety features (initially things like safety glass and seatbelts) implemented? Oops, there goes another xenophobic theory out the window.
As to the above comment, what's really happending (which maybe you are point to) is that the energy from the impact is designed to disperse AWAY from the occupant area, unless SUVs and trucks which give their "lucky" occupants the full brunt of the force (as you indicate).
<<The next time you see a Civic that has collided with a Suburban, notice which one is hardly damaged and which one looks like a stepped-on beer can.>>
Nah, I'll just count the dead Suburban passengers vs. the Civic ones with minor bruises.
First of all, it is an EXTREMELY rare occurrence for an SUV to be at fault in an accident, as most are driven by more mature people who drive responsibly, so talk of "runaway SUV's" is not accurate unless it is referring to the problem-plagued Highlander with defective brakes. And ANY test that indicates that a Honda Civic is safer in an accident than a full-size, truck-based SUV was obviously financed by Honda. People making such arguments are obviously not very adept in the field of physics. I imagine these same folks will try to argue that a beer can can smash an anvil.
"If they could turn a profit, they'd probably be building them in China for goodness sakes!"
Yes, in fact DaimlerChrysler just signed an agreement with China's Chery Motors to start producing some lower-end Dodge models. The Japanese undercut the Big Three with cheap labor, and now Dodge is undercutting Toyota in like fashion.
"Ummmmmmmmmmmm. but when a Honda Accord hits a wall, or a fit or civic for that matter, the damage is contained to the front of the car!!! The whole car does not turn into a suitcase like the older Ford and Chevy pickups. The new "Ace" system from Honda should take care of crashes from larger pickup trucks and I here it is very effective for protection from run away trucks and suvs."
Another comment utterly devoid of fact. Just more opinion in the starry-eyed belief that Honda is infallible.
Anyone can figure out that a 2-3 ton SUV or pickup will protect you in a crash better then a Honda Accord, duh! And it's not like larger vehicles don't have airbags and safety equipment just like econo-boxes! If you seriously think you're safer in an accident in an Accord or Civic then a 6000 lb. Hummer or Tahoe then you haven't thought the issue through plain and simple.
<<Anyone can figure out that a 2-3 ton SUV or pickup will protect you in a crash better then a Honda Accord, duh! And it's not like larger vehicles don't have airbags and safety equipment just like econo-boxes! If you seriously think you're safer in an accident in an Accord or Civic then a 6000 lb. Hummer or Tahoe then you haven't thought the issue through plain and simple.>>
Think the issue through? I just need to read all the FACTS concerning crash tests and real-world data.
Keep believing your Titanic fantasies. After all, if it looks safe it must be safe. Just ask all those Corvair owners like Ernie Kovacs.
Obviously you do not work at the Rouge manufacturing plant and know a thing or two about Ford trucks. Look at the crash tests for a 1997-2004 F-150 as indicated and come back and tell some innocent person to buy such a death trap!!!
Honda Motor Company has it so hard. People criticize the Civic because it does not hold as much cargo as an Suv--but they never state that it blows Focuses, Colbalts, Corollas, etc out of the water. People hate the Accord cause it is not as rigid as a 5000 pound vehicle, but fail to compare it to what it was built to be better than such as a Camry, Malibu, Fusion, or Sonata. People compare the Ridgeline to F-150s or F250's, but forget it was built to be a light truck to run around town and compete against the 15 year old Ranger. PEOPLE LISTEN!!! You are not doing the big three any good by sitting here and slandering the Japanese cars against American built trucks. From the logic set forth here you all just compare apples to oranges and in the long run make no sense at all. Like I said in the beginning Honda has it hard--people compare Civics or Crx's to Silverados or Suburbans and are making no point other than they are bigger and weigh twice as much. Compare apples to apples. Not Tuna to chicken!!!
As someone who is involved in engineering, I find it downright SCARY that there are actually people who would argue that larger, heavier vehicles are less safe in crashes. Try telling that to the parents of the three teenagers who lost control of their Honda Accord and crashed head-on into The GMC Yukon driven by one of my clients. They all died instantly. My client walked away.
I cannot believe the above comment stating "most people driving SUVs are elderly and are rarely at fault for accidents". Every driver is different so how can you stereotype people for what cars they drive. I know a lot of people who drive small cars and have never had any accidents. If anything these SUVs are driven more dangerously than smaller cars. Please don't stereotype because of the type of cars young/elderly people drive.
Was it say a 1990 Accord or 1994 era Accord? Cause back then I can say that Honda's were tinsel metal. The new ones say 2003-20007 Generation are pretty safe. This generation of Accord is also one of the older designs too because it does not incorporate the "ace" crash system yet. I think many people would be in the market for a newer Accord which are just as safe if not more safe than its competitors such as a Ford Fusion or Toyota Camry. Once again we are comparing an Accord to an SUV. Sadly yes there were fatalities with that Accord, but chances are you would not have been better off in any other midsize car of the time save for the Taurus. I have extended family who have died in crashes with their Silverado and one with their Yukon flipping over.
<<As someone who is involved in engineering, I find it downright SCARY that there are actually people who would argue that larger, heavier vehicles are less safe in crashes. Try telling that to the parents of the three teenagers who lost control of their Honda Accord and crashed head-on into The GMC Yukon driven by one of my clients. They all died instantly. My client walked away.
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As someone who is involved in engineering I am shocked you wouldn't look at the FACTS and REAL WORLD crash statistics.
I can cite hundreds of SUV-related death stories where the other CAR in the accident had its passengers walk away from the crash.
Your argument reminds me of my driver's ed class in 1982. A girl in the class said she was "saved" by not wearing her seatbelt and therefore not having seatbelts was better.
The accident referred to involved a 2004 Accord 4-door sedan.