28th Oct 2008, 19:13
You chose a Kia over a BMW? Oh no!
You side stepped the premium manufacturer for the budget manufacturer..??!
29th Oct 2008, 04:12
A very wise move... If you have not looked at Kia recently, you will be surprised. The Cee'd is an excellent car and has a good reliability record, unlike many BMWs, plus it has a premium feel to it.
Do BMW offer a sever year warranty? No? I wonder why not?
Kia does...
Putting prejudice and badge snobbery aside, the Kia is a damned good car. Kia drivers do not need their ego massaging by showing off a badge.
1st Dec 2008, 03:29
Yes, and at the same price you can feel secure in your reliable seven year warranty, safe, smooth, modern Cee'd, while your ancient BMW drains your resources and breaks down.
Cee'd owners can be smug in their nice new, well built, modern, safe, economical, reliable and comfortable cars and look down on those image obsessed BMW drivers driving round in their old heaps who wrongly think they are superior.
Who (after their teenage years) cares what anyone else drives? Save the money, and get help to find the root of your superiority complex!
14th Jan 2009, 15:21
Hmmm a 2 year old BMW or a new Kia Ceed (hehe), sheesh now that's a difficult choice LOL.
14th Jan 2009, 17:43
A new Cee'd 1.4SR at £9995 would compare in price to a two year old BMW...motorbike.
If you have not driven a Cee'd or the similar Hyundai I30, do so, then comment please. You may be surprised on how far they have improved and how little the quality gap is now, compared to ten years ago when comparison really would have been laughable.
Hyundai Kia is now the fifth largest car producer in the world and market share increase year on year. Why? Because the product improves year on year and less and less people remember the old models which were poor and created prejudice like yours.
A BMW is a different product altogether aimed at the car enthusiast or status market. However, in the real world of daily driving and away from the fantastic vision of driving alone along a stormy twisting road like on adverts, the Cee'd or I30 are very good, enjoyable, well engineered cars to live with, day in, day out. Kia and Hyundai make good cars now and will take the market over like the Japanese did in America.
A new front drive Kia hatchback will never outdrive a premium secondhand rear drive saloon, but for most people it will be the better choice.
17th Jan 2009, 05:56
Even if it was a BMW motorbike, I suspect one of the main differences would be that after another couple of years, the BMW would be worth around 7-8k, the Kia on the other hand would be worth around £38.49.
18th Jan 2009, 09:31
Hmmm, I don't think any BMW drivers examine the comments section for a Kia Ceed, but I'd wager almost every one of them would disagree with your statement.
You'll never convince me to drive a Kia I'm afraid. I couldn't help but feel like I'd failed in life if I had to drive one of those things.
It's a well known fact in the motor trade that second hand Kia's are worth next to nothing. Many mainstream dealers will not take Kia's in part exchange or will only offer a token amount - I wonder why?
20th Jan 2009, 05:37
I honestly can't believe there is someone who believes a Kia will devalue less in percentage terms than a BMW. The BMW is bound to lose more in monetary value as it costs considerably more. On average Kia's are worth approx 33% retained value after 3 years. BMW's are approx 58-60%. The figures you claim will simply not translate into reality, and I'm sure most of the public would be aware of this.
To me it is most unusual that someone can try and claim Kia's virtue and wisdom in investment. Try tell that to someone who owns a 3.5 year old 05 plate Kia Cerato.
A new model in a manufacturer's line up will not change that manufacturers retained values over night from 33% to >55%.
Sensible purchases may be now indicated, but this will mean increased business for Nissan, Vauxhall, Mazda etc. These manufacturers have some style and desirability. Kia on the other hand does not.
20th Jan 2009, 12:25
Just noticed the debate going on... for my 2 pennies worth, both brands offer poor residuals. I suppose the benefit of the Kia is that in the current climate combined with the massive increase in quality of newest models, the brand is only going to improve.
20th Jan 2009, 12:36
I made it clear that I was talking about the Cee'd, not the Cerato, and backed it up with true figures from the official Glass's guide trade website. These figures show the truth about the 1 Series and Cee'd; the new "deal" price - ie what is readily available today, against the actual Glass's trade bible website for used value for the same 2 year old 25,000 mile car gave these figures.
As I said, the Kia is the start of a new beginning for the brand, which will take many buyers off mainstream brands.
Fact is that Hyundai-Kia is now the fifth largest auto producer in the world, and aiming for top three.
You sound just like people who stuck up for American brands and ridiculed Japanese brands when they started their sales assault on America in the 60s. Look at the state of the American car producers now, and look where Toyota got.
As I say, your prejudiced view is out of date, and based on the old models, and again, I ask you to go and look sensibly at the Kia Cee'd and Hyundai I30.
The true figures back it up as I have shown - if in any doubt, enter the cars I mentioned into Google or Auto Trader to get best new price, then go to used values on the Glass's trade website, then use a calculator. You'll find the truth out - the figures quoted are 100% genuine and prove the point.
Seriously, don't obscure fact with brand prejudice as no-one really cares what anyone else thinks, just the facts!
And as for BMW depreciation, just ask any 5 series, 7 series, X3 or X5 owner how much they lost over the last two years when their "desirable" new cars went out of fashion. Again on Glass's a 2008/57 BMW 730dSE with 10,000 miles books at just £20,250 against £54160 new... a loss of £33,910 in less than a year. I make that a retained value of 37% in less than A YEAR.
And yet you say you lose more on a Kia? I bet many BMW owners wish you were actually a car dealer and would give them back 58-60% of what they paid for their car three years ago. I bet at least a few now wish they had a Cee'd and the money they lost!
If you love your BMWs, keep on buying them - and keep on thinking Kia buyers are inferior people all you like. They will enjoy a great car and good lifestyle while your BMW loses value at an alarming rate in either £ or percentage however you look at it.
29th Sep 2008, 10:53
I have just placed a verbal order for a new Kia Ceed in France. I looked at a number of cars including VW Golf, Renault Clio, & Seat Leon. I have always had company cars such as BMW and Jaguar, and have been brand loyal to those for the last decade. However, of all the new cars I tried, the Kia had the best feel for build quality. I too was most impressed with the 7 year or 150,000 kilometer warranty. If other manufacturers won't guarantee their products for that sort of time, then why not? - It seems Kia are putting their money where their mouth is and making a statement of confidence in the new Ceed.
I remember when the Kia Pride first came out and thinking what a horrible little car it was. I can certainly sympathise with Jeremy Clarkson taking a sledge hammer to the nasty little Perodua Kelisa, on the basis that it was asking to be smashed to pieces because it had absolutely ZERO aesthetic appeal.
I reckon this car is the Skoda equivalent of the Octavia, and the turning point for the perception of a Kia. Everyone can remember the days when people used to say how you only had to fill the tank up with petrol if you wanted to double the value of a Skoda, but it's all changed now hasn't it?.I think this car looks great and have decided (after agonising long about going for a half decent second hand Beamer for the same price) to give it a go!