21st May 2013, 16:52
Where are you getting your facts, off the top of your head or from your friendly local Toyota dealer??
22nd May 2013, 12:41
Buying a different new import is pretty telling regarding service issues. Maybe you have a lot of free time to deal with a manufacturer with the highest recent recall rate. Certainly not trivial issues.
22nd May 2013, 13:16
The facts are very easily to find and readily available to anyone with internet access: Simply look up any number of long-term reliability reports from numerous independent sources like CR, JD, and even many of the reports from other countries.
Like I said before: those who simply dislike anything with an import name (despite the fact that many of the so-called domestic cars they drive are actually imported) will argue all day long and ignore the facts. But facts are facts. Make weak claims all you want about how supposedly "bad" Toyotas are. That doesn't make such claims any more true than they were the 1st or 10,000th time. Clearly trying to dissuade people from buying Toyotas with such tactics is failing, seeing as how they are still selling the most popular cars in the US.
22nd May 2013, 15:03
Most import fans tend to be very uninformed. Most get their "facts" from ads or brochures. Most don't know that Toyota is the most recalled car on Earth, or that the world's best selling car is actually the Ford Focus.
23rd May 2013, 08:10
Again, what is your point with those that go from import to import? Our driveway is full. And no Toyotas now.
23rd May 2013, 11:02
See? Claiming that there are some who are "Import fans" more or less shows some true colors. There isn't such a thing as "Import fans". Why would anyone be a fan of something just because it was imported? That makes absolutely no sense. There are, however, people who are fans of good quality and reliable products.
At this point, the only thing that those who have an agenda against anything non-American seem to be using, are recalls from 4-5 years ago, while completely and totally ignoring that even recently, a number of domestic automakers themselves had some fairly serious recalls. They use this because otherwise they have no real argument at hand.
As mentioned before, yammer away all ya' want about recalls. Toyota still makes the best cars on the road, and the reliability reports clearly show this, and making the same skipping-record claims about recalls isn't doing anything to tarnish that reputation, so maybe try some other tactic instead.
24th May 2013, 05:08
My tactic was to buy another brand import. If you feel that engine sludging and trans issues are irrelevant, then rally on. Consider that we had likely more than you have owned. Your one may be great and no year was mentioned.
I do not get how you ignore another import buyer with major issues. We disagree with you, as service and quality is what retains customers. Service after a sale. True, some domestics have recalls, but not to the degree that Toyota has had lately. That's not to be dismissed.
I highly recommend the new Mazda sedans. Either the Mazda 6 or the smaller 3, especially in the Touring edition. A lot of amenities, even in the 3, and it's better than the Civic as well. 17 inch tires, Bluetooth, nice sound system. And avoid the continual recalls and the waste of time.
24th May 2013, 14:47
Well, other than hurting the American economy and taking jobs away from hard-working Americans, I guess sending money overseas on a daily basis doesn't hurt a thing.
Incidentally, Toyota's recalls are not "three or four years ago". They are ongoing. New recalls nearly every week. The tally so far is more than all other car makers combined.
24th May 2013, 22:06
The recalls are not a claim. In reality they actually happened, along with trans. failure, rotting truck frames, defective ball joints, faulty airbags and brakes, engine sludge, sudden acceleration and bad run-flat tires.
31st May 2013, 19:31
Well, I can see that the same individual is posting the same worn-out "claim" comments again, and accusing people with horrible experiences as being import haters.
The bast thing I ever did was trade in my 2009 Camry. I'm sorry, but a quality car does not fall apart and have problems at around 50,000 miles.
I wish they were in my shoes with that Camry, then you will see what a "claim" really is.
Oh, by the way, as far as hating imports, I switched to a Nissan Altima after trading in that Camry.
1st Jun 2013, 10:13
We bought 2 brand new Mazdas, a 6 and a 3. I suspect we are import haters as well. By the way, the Mazdas are flawless!
30th May 2014, 10:39
You are comparing "apples to oranges". The average German car is much more expensive than the Camry, except for Volkswagen whose model longevity is absolutely horrible. Studying resale values will immediately confirm this.