10th Mar 2007, 10:34
We'll see how your tune changes in 5-10 years when SsangYong motors starts producing cheap cars under license to Dodge, and drastically undercuts Toyota, Honda, and Nissan. Nissan will be first to go down, and as Toyota and Honda are swirling on the brink, producing shoddier cars in order to remain competitive, there will be people saying "Toyota and Honda deserve to go out of business if they can't produce a quality product like SsangYong!" Oh, how you will howl, then! Sayonara.
10th Mar 2007, 11:02
The Saturn Aura rules! The Ford Fusion also beats the Camry in surveys. When GM introduces the redesigned Malibu this fall, watch the Camry face the same doomed fate as other Toyota failures such as the Cressida, Corona, Crown, etc., etc., etc.......
10th Mar 2007, 11:58
Doesn't the car have to be all new for the coming year to be voted best? I mean the Accord was new in '03 so it would be ineligible to be voted as best family sedan...right? Kind of like Motor Trend truck or car of the year?
10th Mar 2007, 13:38
Considering the styling, performance and absolutely bullet-proof reliability of many of the new GM cars (as well as the AWESOME Fusion) I imagine the import market share will decline rapidly. Several of our friends have already traded their unreliable Camry's and Highlanders for GM vehicles.
10th Mar 2007, 13:44
No one ever "went broke" on repairs for domestic cars. Out of roughly 30 we have owned I doubt the TOTAL repair expense for all combined would be over $1000 stretched over 35 years. On the other hand, our Japanese imports (3) cost us WELL OVER $5000 in repairs in LESS THAN 5 YEARS. That's why we refuse to own another import... EVER.
10th Mar 2007, 14:17
11:02 The Ford Fusion doesn't beat the Camry at anything. Surveys don't mean diddley squat. The Fusion is new, unproven car, that will probably turn out to be a recall-infested disaster, like most Fords. The Camry outsells it, outclasses it and will far outlast it. A tried and true best-seller. The new Malibu? You must be kidding. GM and Ford will have to up the bar another 10 or 20 notches and keep it there for 10 or 20 years before anyone reasonable would consider them HALF as trustworthy as Toyota cars have always been.
11th Mar 2007, 15:00
It's really hilarious how somebody can say "the surveys don't mean anything!" when they support an American car over a Japanese car, but the same people turn around and start rolling off statistics from the very same sources to "prove" how Japanese cars are soooo superior to American cars when it suits their purpose. They always have an answer for why they are right, and everybody else is wrong.
12th Mar 2007, 11:25
16.58 from 14.24. Sorry for not responding sooner. Goggle or Yahoo "Honda odometers". If you own a Honda, I'd look into this.
12th Mar 2007, 12:32
There is a HUGE difference between a survey of an UNPROVEN vehicle and a survey from one that has been out there a long time like the Camry.
JD Power did Hyundai surveys and the owners raved. But then they surveyed the same cars three years later and the owners had a totally different story.
The Fusion will be this way as well. Let's see all the raves about this car in three years.
12th Mar 2007, 14:06
I'd either save my money for a full size domestic or a used late model full size domestic. The money I dropped on high unforeseen repairs on new imports would have enabled me to buy one. I switched in 2004 and should have dome so in 2000.
13th Mar 2007, 09:34
To 10:34, You're right, maybe my tune will change in 10 years; who knows? If this company you mentioned makes a vehicle that's better than a Honda or Toyota, and stands the test of time, then great! I'll buy one. But in the last 30 years, to present day, and forseeably into the future, Toyota and Honda are still unbeatable, and that's what I'll continue to buy.
I'm not brand loyal at all; I want whatever the best is for around my price range; and that means Honda, Toyota, and Nissan. I HOPE somebody makes an even better car for cheaper, that would be great! Like I said, though, I'd wait at least 5 years to see how they hold together.
By the way, what makes you think Dodge will even be in existence in 5 or 10 years? They might be owned by one of the imports by then, just like Ford is on it's way to doing by the look of things.
GM isn't even in the running. They should just go ahead and start building roll-off dumpsters, a bucket on wheels. They might be able to handle doing that without screwing it up. Maybe.
13th Mar 2007, 11:12
Comments 15:00 and 14:06 are RIGHT ON. It really is hilarious to see the responses of import owners to criticisms of the cars they have been "programmed" to think of as perfect by Japanese brain-washing (and MILLIONS in ad hype). If a survey or magazine SUPPORTS their pre-conceived ideas, they shout it from the roof tops. When it is critical "It means NOTHING".
Every day people are waking up to the fact that domestics such as the Fusion, Milan, MKZ, Buick LaCrosse, Pontiac G-6, Saturn Aura and Chrysler Sebring are superior to the Camry in EVERY RESPECT, not to mention costing thousands less and offering far better warranties and dealer service.
I've owned both imports and domestics. The domestics are much better cars. My wife and I both switched to GM in 2003 and have yet to have a single problem with either of our cars. The ride, performance, and build quality is better than anything we've driven in the past 30 years.
13th Mar 2007, 12:25
Having owned a 2006 Camry LE V-6 for a year now, I can honestly say I will NEVER buy another Toyota. The car has been in and out of the shop more in a year than our old Taurus was in nearly 100,000 miles. This car has shattered the myth of Japanese quality for good for us. I can't wait to get rid of this poorly built LEMON and get a reliable Ford Fusion or 500. I miss my Taurus.
13th Mar 2007, 16:23
Anyone who believes the hype about the Fusion or the 500 being reliable deserves to get stuck with one of the two. I have a 5 year old niece that could understand this: a NEW car can't be called reliable, as the words 'new' and 'reliable' contradict each other by definition. Camry's have always been reliable. The Taurus was not reliable. The Fusion and 500 may or may not be reliable, only TIME will tell. End of story.
14th Mar 2007, 04:54
Well, I switched to imports from domestics in '93 after a two year marriage and divorce to a miserable Ford Ranger, and just like a vengeful wife, the Ranger took all my money. So, I switched to Toyota, and 14 years later, I'm still waiting on the first thing to wrong. Nothing ever does.
14th Mar 2007, 10:20
I was looking at the Government crash tests ratings and the Fusion actually did not fare as well as the New Camry or the five year old Accord. If they spent so much on making it look like a Honda, and drive like an Accord or Camry, they sure did not spend all the money on making it safe. Take a look at the NHSTA web site... I found some interesting things such as trauma the force of the car puts on the person... I actually found the Civic doing better in some instances... before you'll rebuttal take a look at their web site and the figures on injuries.