20th Oct 2009, 16:38
I am usually a defender of imported cars on this site, but I must say that you are way off base with your comment. Sure, to you, the Buick may not be all that the reviewer feels that it is, but I would not call it mediocre. Besides, if it is as good as the reviewer believes it is TO HIM - that's all that matters. Why does it bother you so much that someone actually likes his domestic car?
21st Oct 2009, 06:30
"There are more 30 year-old GM cars on the road than 5 year-old GM cars."
The above statement is totally wrong and factually incorrect.
21st Oct 2009, 13:34
I live in the Sunbelt, and every day I see late many late 70s to mid-80's GM cars on the freeways. A coworker drives a 1973 Olds 98. That's a 37 year old car. It's basically like new (and never restored). It's not at all unusual here to see Ford and Chevy pickups from the late '60's still on the road. I have not seen even a mid-80's Honda or Toyota in years. Not even the bodies last that long. But yes, there are certainly many more 5-year-old GM cars around than those from 30 years ago. In spite of being in bankruptcy, GM sold more cars in the past 12 months than Toyota did. Of course Toyota is facing massive safety recalls and hundreds of lawsuits now.
As for Buick, we sold a LeSabre last year with over 277,000 miles on it. It was like new. Not a single repair except for 3 brake pad replacements. Buick is currently tied for first place (with a Ford) in J.D. Powers long-term reliability rankings, beating out even Lexus. Of course even the Buick pales in comparison to our Pontiac. It turned 55 years old this year and is 100% original and still driven. We love GM and Ford products. Our 2003 GM SUV has over 80,000 miles and has not even had the brake pads replaced yet, or any repairs of any kind. Just one battery and one set of tires.
21st Oct 2009, 17:01
Mediocre is a perfect word to describe every car in the Honda and Toyota car dealerships. I am not really a fan of the Lucerne, so I won't argue that point, but honestly if you think any import from Japan is better, I would seriously question your judgement. And to the commentor who stated there are more 30 year old GM cars than 5 year old ones, that is simply ridiculous. But at least there are still 30 year old GM cars on the road. I just passed a '77-'79 LeSabre coming home today. When was the last time you saw a Honda or Toyota from the '70's (junkyards excluded).
22nd Oct 2009, 19:53
Well, I recently saw a beautiful 1978 Datsun (now Nissan) 280-Z. Of course the flimsy Nissan drive train had long ago been replaced by a reliable small-block Chevy engine, transmission and narrowed rear end. There are a few Japanese cars that the bodies have survived reasonably intact from the late 70's and 80's. Except of course for the Z, none are worth restoring and dropping a good engine in because of the mundane styling.
24th Oct 2009, 14:30
We just sold a 1977 LeSabre last year with 277,000 miles on it. it was flawless and never had ANY repairs other than brake pads.
As for Honda and Toyota, that's a good point. The Camry didn't even come out until the Mid-80's, but there are ZERO first-generation Camrys out there... NONE. I haven't seen one in 10 years. Not even the bodies were built to last that long.
21st Nov 2009, 03:02
If I see an old car, it's usually a GM or a Ford. Chryslers do not age well, and neither do '70s Japanese, British, or Italian cars. Good luck finding parts for those older foreign cars also. Older Volkswagens are easy to find (but don't bother looking for 70's VWs except for Beetles and Buses). '60s, '70s, and '80s Mercedes-Benzes are common and tank like, and the same applies to Volvos.
A car is a car, but I'm liking my Buick more than I thought I would (2000 LeSabre), especially after my brother's not-so-good experience with a '95 Pontiac Grand Prix (probably not the best GM division, reliability-wise, anyhow).
Many people talk about the quality of the cars, but I think it's also important to talk about the quality of the service. I haven't had a bad dealer service from GM, but my family's Honda dealer visits have been good and bad, from "all fixed in record time and cheap" to "they broke our car not their fault". Toyota dealers, too, come across as less than the sum of their cars.
Good luck with your Buick. When it comes to cars, cross your fingers, and find a mechanic you can trust.
21st Nov 2009, 15:44
I totally agree about the service. Our local Ford dealership has such a horrible service department that I drive my Mustang and Fusion an hour's drive to another dealership for servicing. We also own 2 GM vehicles, but luckily our local GM dealership is very good, competent and trustworthy. Ford service locally is so bad that I do all my own servicing once the warranty is up on them. Toyota here is also notorious for poor service and bilking customers. They lost a lawsuit for fraud a few years ago. They were charging people TWO TIMES what the sales tax was supposed to be.
22nd Nov 2009, 14:52
I have to agree as well. The dealer I bought my previous Ford from was awful for service. So much that I as well ended up servicing it at another dealer. However that dealer was even WORSE. Twice as expensive as the first one. Can't say much for the Honda service center since my Civic hasn't needed a single service yet! (I do all my own oil changes and so far that's all I've needed in the past 35,000 miles. My Ford didn't even make it that far before costing me over $3000 in repairs.)
24th Nov 2009, 12:40
After the warranty expires I do all my own servicing. The only vehicles we've ever owned that ever required any repairs at all were 2 Japanese and one German vehicle. Our two mileage champs are Ford (320,000+ miles) and Buick (270,000+ miles). Our Dodge was also very good. I sold it at 240,000+ miles and it's current owner now has over 300,000 on it. None of these vehicles ever had anything in the way of required repairs.
24th Nov 2009, 19:45
That what I do as well. However my experiences have been quite different. My Chrysler vehicles have all performed fairly well (the most mileage before a repair was 150,000) while my Fords have performed quite poorly (first Ford was owned for 10 miles and less than an hour before it had an engine failure) and my Chevy's have also been quite poor (connecting rod failure at 60,000 miles on my Lumina.) My "mileage champs" have been my first Honda, and Accord, that made 450,000 miles on basic maintenance alone (brakes, belts, fluids, etc.) It was sold to a teen looking for a car and he owned it for another 150,000 or so, at which point I believe it was stolen. And my 2nd Honda, another Accord that went 230,000 miles when I (foolishly) traded it in on a Ford Focus that needed repairs almost constantly.