20th Apr 2007, 22:35
Looks like the definition of an appliance according to this reviewer is a car that does not have 50 pounds of body garb on the outside -- say Pontiac and does not have beautiful wheel skirts on the sides with white walls such as an 86-mid nineties Cadillac or 91-92 Chevrolet Caprice. I do not think this guy has ever driven a Honda Accord V6 or one linked up to a six speed manual... I do not think it gets any better than that when it is coupled to the six speed unless there is not enough body clad or body skirts for your tastes... no whites walls available on this model. Can I pull the nav system out and get the Onstar system so I can talk to my cousin at Onstar all day? There is a reason why Honda and Toyota outsell the others and it is not rebates -- good luck getting over a 900 dollars off an Accord unless it is a DX.
21st Apr 2007, 03:54
14:56... Go to the closest GM dealer and buy a new Suburban today and order Onstar... or a new Traiblazer SS loaded with technology, better warranty and a blast to drive. You act that the only GM is a Cobalt. How about a Z06 Vette? Where's Toyota's super car?
21st Apr 2007, 07:49
Hey, thanks for admitting the only remotely competitive vehicles GM makes are gas guzzlers.
Great to know in this age of fluctuating gas prices GM can't compete with a quality built fuel efficient vehicle.
21st Apr 2007, 11:03
Are you kidding? Exactly how do you think the American car manufacturers have stayed in business for the past 30+ years? Because they have turned out great, long lasting quality cars? Please. American consumers do little research, and just buy whatever the ads tell them to. Luckily, there is a new breed of consumer that actually does research and looks at things like reliability.
And that's why Ford lost a Mustang a minute last year, GM is constantly losing market share, and Chrysler is being sold to yet another foreign entity this summer.
21st Apr 2007, 13:56
I find comments like 15:02 not only false, but insulting. Telling the OWNER of a Camry that he doesn't know how fast his car is goes beyond mere opinion to being downright disrespectful. The OWNER ought to KNOW how fast or slow HIS Car was much better than a biased Edmund's reviewer. It is a FACT that the 2006 and earlier Camrys and Highlanders were some of the SLOWEST V-6's made, and were MUCH SLOWER than a V-6 Fusion, Hyundai Sonata, or Chevy Malibu or Impala. They are even slower than GM's 4-cylinder compacts, and I KNOW because I HAVE driven both, thank you!!
21st Apr 2007, 20:33
I have to take issue with the argument that the older Japanese cars were better than domestics. Of course NO ONE who can read these reviews can argue that the NEW Toyotas and Hondas are anything but crap, but my family owned Japanese cars made from the mid 80's to the early 90's (including a Honda and a Toyota). These cars were true imports built in Japan before any plants were open here. They were ALSO crap. None of our domestics ever had nearly the problems these cars had. If domestic automakers go out of business we'll drive used GM vehicles for the rest of our lives. A GM with 150,000 miles on it is a better car than a new Camry.
22nd Apr 2007, 09:00
Sorry, but I have known of at least 30 people who have owned imports from that era and ALL were bulletproof compared to the American garbage of the same era their friends were driving.
Want proof? Just look at ratings in Consumer Reports, Intellichoice, Edmunds, JD power, etc. etc.
22nd Apr 2007, 09:08
I see, so someone saying his car "feels slow" is more accurate than INDEPENDENT reviewers who use sophisticated TESTING EQUIPMENT including GPS mapping to get 0 - 60 results.
Talk about insulting!
As for your other claims of Camry V6's being slow, I suggest you go look up the FACTS before posting.
22nd Apr 2007, 09:56
11:03 I agree. The ad hype does not work anymore. So I switched and bought 2007 GM's. The telling answer was being directly in the service shops firsthand with new import vehicles between 2000-2006.
22nd Apr 2007, 11:08
Thankfully we have citizens like you to tell us what cars are really safe. Why look at crash statistics or even crash tests from independent organizations like the Insurance Institute and NCAP when we have people like you.
22nd Apr 2007, 17:37
About 2 years ago my wife and I came upon a very serious accident involving a late model Toyota Camry and a late 90's Ford Ranger. The female driver of the Camry had run a red light and been hit by the Ranger. The Camry was so badly mangled you could hardly tell what it was except for the emblems. The driver of the Toyota was in very critical condition and was being airlifted by helicopter to a nearby trauma center. The Ranger, on the other hand, had a very slightly buckled hood and a busted grille. It was totally drivable and the driver, who didn't get so much as a scratch, was standing by his truck watching the investigation proceeding. You see this sort of thing every day. The supposedly "better built" Japanese tin cans crumple up like tin foil when hit by real cars and trucks.
22nd Apr 2007, 22:35
Uhhh...guess what?? I just checked the reviews of the greatly hated and much maligned PONTIAC GRAND AM and even IT has BETTER REVIEWS THAN CAMRY from 2002 thru 2005!!! The Fusion is a winner, and time will prove it to be a far more reliable car than Camry, just as most other Ford products are.
23rd Apr 2007, 07:47
It looks like Ford's 90 million dollar ad campaign has brainwashed you. Are you serious that a FORD product is more reliable then a Camry?
I guess all those reports by independent magazines and government studies must be wrong. There is a reason why the Camry is the best selling car in the country. And really who would know more about reliability then the company who rolled out the Pinto, Bronco 2, Explorer, Contour, and Tempo?
1st May 2007, 10:17
Some definite strong opinions here. So let's look at some facts.
April 2007 Consumer Reports issue gave the V6 Ford Fusion their highest recommended buy rating. They also gave it their highest predicted reliability rating and highest safety rating. I think it's fair to say CR is very hard on domestic cars, so what does that say about the Fusion that they would give it such high ratings?
Car & Driver (or maybe it was Road & Track), conducted two tests inviting drivers to play with Camrys, Accords, and Fusions. In both tests, the highest percentage of drivers picked the Fusion as their favorite.
In an analysis of Things Gone Wrong (TGW), the Fusion beat the Camry by a very small amount. The Accord was tops.
Both the Camry and Accords have more powerful engines and get better gas mileage than the Fusion. The Camry is virtually identical in weight.
What I'm simply saying is that Ford has built a very good car in the Fusion, and it competes well with the Camry and Accord. I bought a Fusion over the other 2 because I liked it's styling better, it's driving better, and it was more roomy. If Ford could improve it's turning radius and gas mileage I'd be completely happy with the car.