RS 500 a Sure classic with lighting performance better wipes the floor with scoobies.
Well if your talking stock for stock, the RS 500 would probably be head to head with a WRX, but STI onwards and it certainly won't be wiping the floor with a scoob, it would do very well to stay near. It's a 19 year old car remember, and if your talking STI prodrive or WR1 then forget it, it would be embarrassed.
Seen many Highly modded RS 500's wipe the floor with Scoobies some running well in excess of 500 Bhp accept the facts and forget the myths!
More to the point did you read it (where in my comments did I say stock for stock???) it was you that mention stock for stock!!!
I've seen Cossies with loads more than 500 Bhp (that's not thier limit 700 Hp is not uncommon in this area, the cosworth block is a mile stone in 4 pot tuning with a fine history in motor sport and the Japaneese are yet to better it!
You mean you've had a dream of a honda type r 1.8 with 712 Bhp? I seen the cossie lumps with well in excess of 700 (RS 200 with 750 HP (1.8) dream on!
Have a look on youtube!! if you search for (b18c) you will find it on there on a rolling road putting out that much power. so stop babbling on about FORD making better engines than HONDA who are world famous for making some of the best engines on the planet. research your facts before dismissing them in the future.
HAHA! Someone getting shirty about Ford; that's so funny because we all know Ford are a premium brand right LOL.
I was just pointing out that Honda make better engines... did I once mention motor sport.. NO!
Was just mentioning Honda superiority in building engines that not only go on for a few hundred thousand miles, but rev to 9000rpm + (Honda S2000, Integra or Civic with re mapped chip) while doing it.
Show me a mainstream Ford engine that can do that while returning good fuel economy too.
Live in the real world, not your Ford loving dream world.
Yet more drivel when does it end? (maybe when he/she stops putting pointless comments on here about the ford engines being no good)???
I have had engines from Honda let go at 25000 km.
Any engine is capable of blowing up at any point during its life I have a cossie lump done well in excess of 165000 miles and still going strong.
(the key to good service from any engine (period) is good servicing (maybe you should try that route first to look into that first???)
For the record you the one spouting out how poor the Ford lump is (which looking through motor sport history past and present quite clearly proves you wrong)
I'm not a Ford fan, (306 GTi and 205 GTi fan) :-). All I can say is that the cossie lump is still the best in the business for power and realiability. Honda build good engines, but as for the whole package of a hot hatch or sports car, they always fall short of one thing! FUN!! I drive an 5 year old 306 GTi and an 16 year old 205 GTi, and when I was thinking of up-grading to newer car, I test drove the Civic Type-R. It was a little bit faster than my current cars, but it was so boring to drive!!!
Now give me a cossie and I would be a very happy man.
Plus who cares if an engine can rev to 9000? My mate has put 45,000 miles on his Type-R and has already needed to change an engine, and that's looking after it!!!
Long live the cossie and old school hatches!!
More over ha ha to the above comment 9000 rpm; it's a Type R mate, not a Formula one car! Plenty of Ford lumps run high mileage at high rpm. I'm sat here waiting for you to spout, oh and a Honda engine can drive to the sun and back at 50000 rpm with no oil changes.
Honda does not produce better engines than Ford. These are "your opinions and not based on any solid or concrete facts".
If like you claim Ford were no good at producing cars, then they simply would not be in business for as long as they have been.
Oh, and if you don't think a Honda engine can rev to 9000rpm then you have never ever sat in one let alone driven one! with up rated cams and a chipped ECU a Honda engine can rev to over 11,000 rpm and if you don't believe me do some research on youtube or look at the Buddyclub Civic that they race tuned only with parts that you can buy off the shelf.
So my point is proven yet again that you obviously no nothing of what Honda engines are capable of (the s2000's engine does rev to a 9000rpm limit, the Honda integra type r engine hits the limiter at 8,900rpm I should know as I own one, and the civic type r revs out at 8,500 rpm) all this is STANDARD factory spec!!!
So go and stand in the corner like a good little boy and play with your little ford engine and dream of producing an engine half as good as a Honda.
You just make me laugh now, as you clearly do not know what these engines can do. Yes, they will most definitely rev to the numbers I have stated, and if you don't believe me, then go do your own research. Yes, I do own a Type R, and I know that doesn't automatically make me an expert; I never said it did, but BECAUSE I own one, I have researched these engines quite a lot to find out as much as I can about them (as you have most probably done with the Cossie lump). If you would take a min to look at these...
You will find both these Honda engines revving to 11000 RPM, and these two took me but a minute to find. I'm sure I could find more if you STILL don't believe me.
Oh, one last thing, here's the b18c engine that's fitted in the Integra Type R, but with a turbo added and dropped into a Civic shell, showing the 712 BHP.
Now I think you owe me an apology.
You need to do your research pal. Here is a nice example of the Cossie's capabilities, and there are many others also: http://videos.streetfire.net/comments/717798.htm
My point was that the Japanese can make engines better now than an old cossie lump that's now like 20 years old!!!
This above comment is even more ridiculous. Yes, the Cosworth lump is old, but it is still a fine engine that has a habit of making many cars a lot younger and more than twice its price look stupid.
Lets see how long the Honda lump will last (I bet 20 years from now it will be forgotten).