1987 Ford Sierra RS 500 Cosworth from UK and Ireland - Comments

I've seen a honda integra type r 1.8 engine running at 712bhp in a road car, so I think its safe to say the japanese do know how to build a decent engine.

You mean you've had a dream of a honda type r 1.8 with 712 Bhp? I seen the cossie lumps with well in excess of 700 (RS 200 with 750 HP (1.8) dream on!

Have a look on youtube!! if you search for (b18c) you will find it on there on a rolling road putting out that much power. so stop babbling on about FORD making better engines than HONDA who are world famous for making some of the best engines on the planet. research your facts before dismissing them in the future.

5th Nov 2006, 06:58

Have a look on youtube!! if you search for (b18c) you will find it on there on a rolling road putting out that much power. so stop babbling on about FORD making better engines than HONDA who are world famous for making some of the best engines on the planet. research your facts before dismissing them in the future.

The above comment is more rubbish!

And ford don't make the best engine on the planet (Ford motor sport history goes back decades (i think you should be to one who looks into your facts (Ford has and still does have a world famous motorsport history so your the one spouting more drivel about Honda. best you look into motor sport in a more depth way before spouting on about Honda has better engines.

Get a grip!!

Yeah, Fore has better engines, alright, when the engine blows at 100000 km.

Actually you can modify a RS500 and not lose any value. Simply do not tell the next Buyer about any Mods.

To the comment dated on the 5th.

HAHA! someone getting shirty about ford that's so funny because we all know ford are a premium brand right lol.

I was just pointing out that honda make better engines... did I once mention motor sport..NO!

Was just mentioning honda superiority in building engines that not only go on for a few hundred thousand miles, but rev to 9000rpm + (honda s2000,integra or civic with re mapped chip) while doing it.

Show me a mainstream ford engine that can do that while returning good fuel economy too.

Live in the real world not your ford lovin dream world.

Yeah, Fore has better engines, alright, when the engine blows at 100000 km.

Yet more drivel when does it end? (maybe when he/she stops putting pointless comments on here about the ford engines bieng no good)???

I have had engines from honda let go at 25000 km.

Any engine is capable of blowing up at any point during its life I have a cossie lump done well in excess of 165000 miles and still going strong.

(the key to good service from any engine (period) is good servicing (maybe you should try that route first to look into that first???)

For the record you the one spouting out how poor the ford lump is (which looking through motor sport history past and present quite clearly proves you wrong)

I'm not a Ford fan, (306 GTi and 205 GTi fan) :-). All I can say is that the cossie lump is still the best in the business for power and realiability. Honda build good engines, but as for the whole package of a hot hatch or sports car, they always fall short of one thing! FUN!! I drive an 5 year old 306 GTi and an 16 year old 205 GTi, and when I was thinking of up-grading to newer car, I test drove the Civic Type-R. It was a little bit faster than my current cars, but it was so boring to drive!!!

Now give me a cossie and I would be a very happy man.

Plus who cares if an engine can rev to 9000? My mate has put 45,000 miles on his Type-R and has already needed to change an engine, and that's looking after it!!!

Long live the cossie and old school hatches!!

To the comment dated on the 5th.

HAHA! someone getting shirty about ford that's so funny because we all know ford are a premium brand right lol.

I was just pointing out that honda make better engines... did I once mention motor sport..NO!

Was just mentioning honda superiority in building engines that not only go on for a few hundred thousand miles, but rev to 9000rpm + (honda s2000,integra or civic with re mapped chip) while doing it.

Show me a mainstream ford engine that can do that while returning good fuel economy too.

Live in the real world not your ford lovin dream world.

MOre over ha ha to the above comment 9000 rpm it's a type r mate not a Formula one car! plenty of ford lumps run high mileage at high rpm your comments are just more and more drivel as time runs on I'm sat here waiting for you to spout oh and a honda engine can drive to the sun anad back at 50000 rpm with no oil changes.

Honda does not produce better engines than ford these are "your opnions and not based on any solid or concrete facts" so stop twining like a little girl about "how you think that honda ar far better than Ford.

If like you claim Ford were no good at producing cars then they simply would not be in business for as long as they have been "based on your pathetic ramblings"

LOL.

Like you said the key is to keep the engines serviced, even then ANY manufacturer can have the odd engine let go early its just its widely regarded by pretty much all motor journalists and critics that japanese engines last longer than most. personally I'm not a fan of the UK civic type R either as it was built for mass market appeal and softened up a bit to make it more useable. i was talking about the race bred engines in the japanese spec ek9 civic type R, the japanese spec integra type R, the s2000 and the glorious 3.2 v6 VTEC in the NSX. i wasnt ever doubting that the cossie lump is a good engine I've driven one I thought it was very good. likewise I've driven the 205gti and the 306gti both very good cars (peugeot very good at hot hatches) the only comment I was making is that the japanese can make good engines as well! Honda, Toyota, Mitsubishi and so on.

O and if you don't think a honda engine can rev to 9000rpm then you have never ever sat in one let alone driven one! with up rated cams and a chipped ECU a honda engine can rev to over 11,000 rpm and if you don't believe me do some research on youtube or look at the buddyclub civic that they race tuned only with parts that you can buy off the shelf.

So my point is proven yet again that you obviously no nothing of what honda engines are capable of (the s2000's engine does rev to a 9000rpm limit, the honda integra type r engine hits the limiter at 8,900rpm I should know as I own one, and the civic type r revs out at 8,500 rpm) all this is STANDARD factory spec!!!

So go and stand in the corner like a good little boy and play with your little ford engine and dream of producing an engine half as good as a honda.

O and if you don't think a honda engine can rev to 9000rpm then you have never ever sat in one let alone driven one! with up rated cams and a chipped ECU a honda engine can rev to over 11,000 rpm and if you don't believe me do some research on youtube or look at the buddyclub civic that they race tuned only with parts that you can buy off the shelf.

So my point is proven yet again that you obviously no nothing of what honda engines are capable of (the s2000's engine does rev to a 9000rpm limit, the honda integra type r engine hits the limiter at 8,900rpm I should know as I own one, and the civic type r revs out at 8,500 rpm) all this is STANDARD factory spec!!!

So go and stand in the corner like a good little boy and play with your little ford engine and dream of producing an engine half as good as a honda.

See what I mean by yet more and more reams of rediculous comments of Type R formula one RPM's I don't think so mate your drivel just keeps coming and coming in the above comment you "CLEARLY STATE 9000 Rpm and then go on to talk of even more ludicrous Formula one RPM's only seen in the field I have just mentioned.

To drive one is not to become some self proclaimed expert in engine physics/capalites.

LOL Parts bought off the shelf (oh yes I forgot that would be the same shelf that I got My cossie DFV engine from then PMSL.

Get a grip mate your comments are just more unrealsitic as time passes.

And while we are on the subject of "NOT" Knowing you have no concept and I must stress the word "NOT" and "NO" when you harp on about the capabilites of the cosworth Lump.

Your dreams of the lump doing the Rpm's you talk of are found in the F1 field, of course your the expert on the honda cos you and a qoute "own" one which immedaitely places you at the expert level on your subject LOL.

It's a shame your bubble is burst everytime you wake from your dream.

Have fun in your type R honda 1.8 ltr formula one engine :-)

You just make me laugh now as you clearly do not know what these engines can do. yes they will most definately rev to the numbers I have stated and if you don't believe me then go do your own research. yes I do own a type r and I know that doesn't automatically make me an expert I never said it did, but BECAUSE I own one I have researched these engines quite a lot to find out as much as I can about them (as you have most prob done with the cossie lump) if you would take a min to look at these...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_CmhEL49mY&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB8xnMZFsNQ.

You will find both these honda engines revving to 11000rpm

and these 2 took me, but a min to find I'm sure I could find more if you STILL don't believe me.

O 1 last thing heres the b18c engine that's fitted in the integra type r but with a turbo added and dropped into a civic shell showing the 712 bhp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKFZSX4wvno.

Now I think you owe me an apology.

This whole argument is about your statments (saying the Honda lump is a better engine) Clearly it isn't you need to do your research on the cossie lump before you harp on about your so called better lump (take a look at the RS200 (many examples of a 1.8 Turbo with well in excess of 750 Bhp your comments make me laugh like it is making many of the other cosworth owners.

This engine has been around for decades and still has a habit of embarassing cars more than twice its price.

I owe no one an apology and for you to suggest I do makes me roll around the floor laughing.