15th Nov 2006, 11:11
OK you still going on about it then.
Escort cos produces about 225bhp from a 2.0 TURBO engine.
Honda produces 197bhp from a 1.8 NA engine. just adding a turbo or a supercharger on low boost ups the HP to nearly 300bhp.but still in standard form its actually quicker to 100 (by 1.2 seconds) has better top speed (147) and better fuel economy (34mpg) than the cos.
Ye right cossie engines better.. don't make me laugh.
The facts speak for themselves so stop going on about it being a better engine.
I never said the cos was a bad engine (it was the best around at the time and still good today) just saying the new japanese stuff is better.
15th Nov 2006, 11:48
The honda 197 BHP VTEC engine is a 2.0 not a 1.8, But the thing is, you can get 200 BHP out of a 1.6 vauxhall engine without a turbo, its mainly the cams. You could put a turbo on a VTEC and get high BHP, but you could also fit lairy cams to a cossie and get the same thing. VTEC is just high performance cams that convert to economy at low revs.
16th Nov 2006, 08:05
I've seen many engines with over 200 Hp without turbos and 16 valves. This whole Honda argument is crap, you can get 200hp out of a 2.0 Pinto without turbos.
First you're saying the Honda produces 197 bhp in standard form (Cosworth 227 standard form). Look at the figures mate, duh more powerful.
Better still, you go on to compare modded with none modded.
Err, well lets mod the Cosworth also, and then do a compare like for like mods, and guess what?
The Cosworth comes out on top.
For the record, the Cosworth in its standard form was pushing out 300. It was then de-tuned for general public highways.
17th Nov 2006, 02:36
To compare like to like, turbo the b18c so it's then a 1.8 turbo and it beats the cossie.
Like for like err let's see if the cosworth without high performance cam still has more power than the Honda, (put turbo on the honda, yes more power high performance cam).
But it not rocket science (put high performance cam on cossie) along with its standard turbo (ooo let's see cossie has more power again (than the Honda) oh dear I can see a patern here and it’s the cosworth that’s winning this competition.
Take a look more closely at the link I supplied. You will find the Cossie in there is a sierra DUH a ROAD CAR, yes that’s right a ROAD CAR and for you to suggest the cossie lump would struggle to make 150 without the turbo you really have no idea of the cosworths capabilities, absolutely NO IDEA at all.
Example one in Fast Ford mag (issue 246, an Escort Cosworth with 872 bhp using yb 1966 200 Block cosworth, this is a 2.0 litre block, not some hyped up 3000 cc like the Supra etc... so to suggest the Supra is better than the Cosworth is wrong.
While we're on the subject of performance; put high performance cams in the cossie lump (which it never had as standard) and take away its turbo, and the Cosworth lump is right up there without any effort - excess of 200 Bhp.
Ummm lets see the NSX is a 3.2 litre 6 cylinder V6 litre lump, the cossie RS 200 is 1.8. Shall we up the cossie displacement and get more than 750 Bhp! Answer err YES! More than capable.
Below comment I replied to is absolutely right.
You can get 200 Bhp out of a Pinto 2.0 without turbos and this is an engine 20yrs plus in age.
The Japanese have not (that’s right NOT!!!) done it many times over you’re the one with the miss guided facts.
17th Nov 2006, 11:25
So now you're telling me high performance cams adds more than 80 bhp? LOL Yeah right, and adding a turbo to my 1.8 with only 5.6 psi I'm running just over 300bhp, so you're telling me adding high lift cams to the cossie takes it from 225 to 300!!!
I don't think so, and try revving your engine to 9000 rpm and see how long it lasts.
And my engine is a 1.8!!! The civic engine is the 2.0 ivtec engine whereas mine is the (b18C). If you want a Honda 2.0 turbo then lets start with the s2000's 237bhp NA engine which beats the cossie without a turbo easily, add the turbo at say 7 psi and it runs to about 340bhp; more than enough to beat the cossie with high lift cams (cams won't give you 100bhp!!)
To sort this out once and for all lets take our cars on a track and see how well you do. My car vs your cossie.
18th Nov 2006, 07:32
LOL more statements (adding a turbo alone will not give you an extra 100BHp) LMAO if that is the case then let's add 2 turbos to the Cossie V6 and get over 400 Hp without the cams LMAO. You're soo full of it.
19th Nov 2006, 06:47
No the s2000 is a 2.0 its kinda implied in the name s2000 else it would have been called the s2200.
19th Nov 2006, 06:50
And now you don't believe a turbo can add 100bhp... well I've got a printout here from a rolling road telling me exactly that. You just won't believe the facts until I've proven them to you time and time again. It all depends on the turbo.
For ages you wouldn't believe the Honda engine could rev to 11000 rpm until I proved it. You said that's only available in formula 1 LOL, they rev to 20,000 rpm or do I have to prove that to you too?
19th Nov 2006, 07:34
Just because its called 2000 you shouldn't just assume it is a 2.0, it's a 2.2.
19th Nov 2006, 12:21
Its still a 2.0 litre car no matter how many times you assume it's a 2.2.
The only 2.2 engine in the honda line up is the 2.2 vti in the honda prelude.
20th Nov 2006, 01:48
Just like I had to prove you wrong about the cosworth 750 Bhp Road Car then LOL.
You don't know when to stop do you?
20th Nov 2006, 08:09
My name is Rob Walker and I tune performance street cars for a living. I started up in the 80s with the Cossies and have now moved on to the Japanese stuff including Honda VTEC.
The best Cossie we did was a Granada V6 24v running RS500 turbo and injectors. Total animal dynoed at 890BHP, best we ever saw from a 2.0 or even a bored out 2.4 was 650BHP.
The Honda VTEC units will only take low pressure turbocharging or supercharging, they can only reliably run 380BHP in my experience.
The cars themselves are a different matter, the Fords can't handle the power, big power cossies are death traps. However put 330 BHP through a Honda Integra or Civic and it'll beg for more, total control and handling that defies belief.
So, yes the Cossie is more powerful, but the Honda will win any race if you add a few bends.