1987 Ford Sierra RS 500 Cosworth from UK and Ireland - Comments

No the s2000 is a 2.0 its kinda implied in the name s2000 else it would have been called the s2200.

And now you don't believe a turbo can add 100bhp... well I've got a printout here from a rolling road telling me exactly that. You just won't believe the facts until I've proven them to you time and time again. It all depends on the turbo.

For ages you wouldn't believe the Honda engine could rev to 11000 rpm until I proved it. You said that's only available in formula 1 LOL, they rev to 20,000 rpm or do I have to prove that to you too?

Just because its called 2000 you shouldn't just assume it is a 2.0, it's a 2.2.

The S2000 is indeed a 2.0.

Its still a 2.0 litre car no matter how many times you assume it's a 2.2.

The only 2.2 engine in the honda line up is the 2.2 vti in the honda prelude.

I repeat, the S2000 is a 2.0, not a 2.2!

Just like I had to prove you wrong about the cosworth 750 Bhp Road Car then LOL.

You don't know when to stop do you?

So now you're telling me high performance cams adds more than 80 bhp? LOL Yeah right, and adding a turbo to my 1.8 with only 5.6 psi I'm running just over 300bhp, so you're telling me adding high lift cams to the cossie takes it from 225 to 300!!!

Your 300 Bhp V a Cossie 550 Bhp, your car would be killed.

Well what a good discussion, s2000, 2litre, 237bhp, cool or what, turbo'ed 1.8 Honda, driven one? I have, quick as a cosworth, not from standing start, traction's bit of a problem, but after that YES, until it runs out of gears, have I driven cossie, YES sapphire 2wd, 300bhp. COSWORTH engine in it's day was the greatest engine you could want, 15/20 years later it's still great, but it's not as good as a modern engine. VW now has a 1.4 supercharged and turbo'ed engine with a conservative 170bhp, and you know it will run for 200,000 miles. Cosworth engine 200,000 miles, no chance, not without rebuild.

Actually I NEVER said the cosworth engine couldn't produce that much... look back and check! Just said the honda engine is better and the JD power survey EVERY year for years proves japanese engines are superior and more reliable than anything Ford produce in terms of power and reliability. Even the new ST borrows a volvo engine for gods sake.

But you said 3 or 4 times the honda engine COULDN'T rev that high. Just face it and admit you're wrong AGAIN.

My name is Rob Walker and I tune performance street cars for a living. I started up in the 80s with the Cossies and have now moved on to the Japanese stuff including Honda VTEC.

The best Cossie we did was a Granada V6 24v running RS500 turbo and injectors. Total animal dynoed at 890BHP, best we ever saw from a 2.0 or even a bored out 2.4 was 650BHP.

The Honda VTEC units will only take low pressure turbocharging or supercharging, they can only reliably run 380BHP in my experience.

The cars themselves are a different matter, the Fords can't handle the power, big power cossies are death traps. However put 330 BHP through a Honda Integra or Civic and it'll beg for more, total control and handling that defies belief.

So, yes the Cossie is more powerful, but the Honda will win any race if you add a few bends.

I'm not going to admit I'm wrong since you're the one harping on about the Honda being a better engine all day, and that it outperforms the Ford (which clearly it doesn't, and I have proved you wrong on more than one occasion).

OK if the honda VTEC is so great, what makes a VTEC? High performance cams yes? And without a turbo they have pathetic amounts of torque, and they only give good BHP cos you have to rev the pants off them.

I'm not just defending the cossie here, but most 2.0 turbo cars. Much better than VTEC. The mitsubishi EVO MR FQ 400, no VTEC, 405 BHP standard. I may be wrong, but I haven't seen a standard honda VTEC turbo yet, all those revs with a turbo too, probably fly apart.

Standard turbo cars are already set up for easy tuning, adding a turbo to a N/A VTEC? asking for trouble, but fitting performance cams or upping the boost to a cossie, scooby, EVO? EASY.

To the guy that builds engines I take your points, although I have seen dozens of civics running over 20psi and in the really high performance ones only being used on tracks as much as 30psi and over 700bhp.

It takes a finely balanced engine to be able to rev to 9000 rpm, and sometimes as much as 11000 rpm, and be able to take that punishment on a daily basis.

Look at it this way the cosworth engine is like a sledgehammer... it gets the job done, but crudely, the high revving VTEC engines are capable of the same job, but are more like a surgeons scalpal with more precise engineering world famous for lasting longing than its counterparts.

And no this isn't just my opinion, but the opinion of almost everybody in the industry. I'm not doubting that there are gonna be a few cosworth blocks out there capable of high mileages, just not as many as the more modern japanese lumps.

I'm not making anything up as I go along I read before I comment (somthing you fail to do) I have many years experience in this industry driving various cars, at different stages of modification my experince differs some what from yours nothing I have driven yet comes close to the cosworth (including the honda) which I have driven in competition.

LMAO look at the way cosworth gets the job done, but crudely (what a load of yet more drivel) (the cosworth block has been around for 20 years (and you know what the say about age) should I spell it for you (experience) The cosworth engine is refined which has taken years of testing to complete (not some design thrown together in less than 5 minutes) some modern day stuff is good and I'm not going to dismiss it (but you cannnot dismiss the fact that the cosworth has been the bench mark of the 4 pot tuning something that even has yet to be beaten)

Its widely known by many many tuning companies (globally the capabilities of this block, then internet is yet more solid proof of my claims accept it or shut up its really that simple.)