24th Jan 2012, 22:49

My friend and I both took our cars to a service facility for tire and alignment work this week. I had crashed my Ford Fusion into a concrete curb hard enough to blow out the tire's sidewall. When I picked the car up, my bill was $60 LESS than I had been quoted. I was told my alignment was perfect and I wasn't charged for one. My friend was told his Toyota had sagged from the weight of the car, and could NOT be aligned without special shims. He has never so much as hit a pot hole!! Why people keep pouring money into poorly built cars like Toyota is amazing!!

25th Jan 2012, 09:08

...and the broken record skips again. This is about the 20th time this claim has been made about the Corolla. I see millions of them on the road over the past 30 years, and this is the ONLY time I have heard this story about a sagging frame. One out of millions is pretty good odds, don't you think?

The sad part for you is even if the frame did sag, the Toyota still holds its value better than your Fusion. Please let this story rest already!

25th Jan 2012, 10:19

Sorry, but I suspect that there is a propaganda campaign going on here, and it is ruining an excellent website.

I don't buy any of these stories, and I own a so-called domestic.

It's a shame the site is being brought down by those with their own agendas.

25th Jan 2012, 12:39

Oh boy, here we go again with the "Sagging frame" comments. Give it a break.

26th Jan 2012, 15:17

It isn't the "frame " that sags on Toyotas (and other Japanese cars). It is the very thin and flimsy sub-frame attachment points, which are basically just little strips of tin. They can be aligned using heavy shims or by actually twisting the entire assembly at a frame shop (which does little good, it just twists back in a few months). I've had this issue with my Japanese cars. I now only drive Ford, GM or Chrysler. The Japanese use very thin, very flimsy materials, even for vital suspension components.

26th Jan 2012, 16:59

Well, maybe if you guys ignore the comment, and stop replying to it, and stop showing that it bothers you, then maybe they will stop posting about it... just a thought.

27th Jan 2012, 08:36

Yeah I guess it is too much to expect people to post facts about their own vehicles, and not stories against brands they hate eh?

27th Jan 2012, 08:53

I don't think they will go away, they just seem bent on destroying a great web site.

27th Jan 2012, 12:50




Several people here need to show a little more respect for other people on the site.

The poster who writes about flimsy frames has made very similar points elsewhere on the site, so it's highly questionable whether adding your latest experience to yet another review is valuable. It would be better for you to add your comment to threads that already reference this subject.

That said, the tone of some of the comments is not appropriate. It's obviously preferable for comments to stay on topic, but digressions do not warrant the aggressive nature of some of the replies. Assume the other contributors are decent people who are posting in good faith. If you can't manage that, please do not post. Real, decent people are on the receiving end of whatever you post. Keep that at the forefront of your mind.

Lastly, it takes at least two to have an argument. If you want the argument to end, accept that you're not going to have the last word, and move on.

Steven Jackson (admin for Carsurvey.org)

CSDO Media Limited

30th Jan 2012, 20:53

Original Reviewer.

I've seen your "sagging frame" comments on this site before. My Camry's alignment is completely fine, you think they didn't check that? I drive 130 miles a day on the highway, my Camry doesn't pull, drift, or anything. It drives completely fine.

My son owns a '96 Corolla with 198,000 miles. It has NEVER HAD AN ALIGNMENT, and has gone through probably about 4 sets of tires in its lifetime, that's roughly 50,000 a set, and never once has it ever had uneven tire wear. To this day the wheel is completely straight, and it doesn't pull or drift. The car itself is completely original, save the radiator and exhaust manifold. And that is saying a lot, because as I have stated in my reviews (of ALL our cars) and in my comments, we live in small, rural town with poorly paved roads. The Corolla's suspension? Completely original. In fact, it's just now showing signs of needing shocks.

What was my son's previous vehicle you may ask? It was a '95 Dodge Neon with 81,000 miles. Why is it gone? Frame damage due to hitting a pothole I've hit in both our Corolla AND my Camry. Don't even get me started on our old Windstar, we all know what those are like.

19th Feb 2012, 21:00

Original Reviewer.

Just got back from a 1400 mile round trip journey to Cleveland, Ohio to look at a college my oldest son will be attending.

Didn't have the time to change the oil before leaving (MAINTENANCE REQUIRED light was on the whole trip) so I will be having it done this week. It performed absolutely flawlessly, achieved about 32 MPG the whole trip at 75-80 MPH. It got really dirty from the highway (it literally looked like I had taken it off road) but thankfully the washer fluid tank is huge, so we never had to pull over and clean off the windshield.

Really got to tell how it felt on a long trip (and this one was 12 hours) and found it to be extremely comfortable. There is plenty of room to stretch out, and I never really started to feel any pain from the seats after such a long period.

Have had no issues, and I am currently at 62,000 miles. Will most likely be hitting 100K by the end of this year.

21st Feb 2012, 19:27

Sagging, impossible-to-align suspensions are quite common on newer Corollas. I'm not sure about Camrys, but I've seen the Corolla sagging issue first hand. It does happen.

22nd Feb 2012, 08:27

Please re-read the comment from: 27th Jan 2012, 12:50.

22nd Feb 2012, 10:31

Sagging frames on Corollas are not common, simply because there isn't such a thing, period.

22nd Feb 2012, 15:51

I have seen twisted frames, not exclusive to Toyota. Frame connectors are added.

27th Feb 2012, 18:47

Original Reviewer.

Still around 62,000 miles. Had the oil changed, tires rotated and 60K factory recommended maintenance performed. Unfortunately, a day after this service, a truck carrying wood and drywall (probably from a house demo) dropped a few pieces of wooden trim filled with nails all over the highway in front of me. Had no time to stop, and I couldn't swerve because of the car next to me, so, needless to say, I ran over the trim and blew out my passenger side front tire.

Since I know tires aren't covered under warranties (they are wear items), I went online and found the exact same tire (meaning it will match the current set I have) online for $89. Bought it, had it mounted and balanced, and have had no issues.

20th Jun 2012, 20:12

Original Reviewer.

At 75,000 miles now. No issues with my Camry since the flat tire. I've switched over to 89 octane fuel (a recommendation from my soon to be Toyota/Lexus technician son) due to some minor gas ping under acceleration. No issues with pinging since the switch.

The only thing I'm not looking forward to is the 90K service I'll be needing soon. But I can't really complain about maintenance.