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13:57 Completely sidestepped the excellent point 19:16 was making.
Not only do you have to pay MORE just to buy the Toyota, you also have to pay MORE for maintenance. So even if American cars don't quite match Toyota in reliability (something I'm not at all convinced of), and you have to repair a few more things on the American car than the Toyota, you're still paying MORE just to buy the boring, ugly, slow, appliance Toyota!
LOL! It's funny how the import-lovers try to deny that fact.
I had to buy replacement tires at 20,000 miles on my new import and had major mechanical failures prior to 30,000 miles. I have never gone past 5,000 miles with oil and filters on any Honda/Toyota I ever owned due to sludging concerns.
I do not agree they all drive great when they are new. I do agree that you should test drive 4 or 5 different new models and formulate your own opinion. I could not compromise bed, load capacities, smoother ride and performance and especially the warranty. I bought the new Silverado. I have yet to encounter rattles maybe it was an unsecured load in the bed they were possibly commenting about.
My advice is to shop around. Even just MSRP the Tundra is a lot more expensive then the Chevy. And you can deal with GM dealers, unlike Toyota.
Me personally, based on what I see the most on construction sites, I'll be going with a F-150, I think they look the best too.
After test driving many new import and domestic trucks my picks #1 is the Silverado, #2 Ford F-250, #3 Nissan Titan. I doubt the Toyota fanatic has even driven any 2007 models that I just mentioned. Sitting at an armchair is not telling enough. Rambling on and on about Toyota being the best... the best is actually getting behind the wheel and let the vehicle prove itself with a thorough workout. The manufacturers are not buying your vehicle for you. I should repeat that sentence as that is the most important consideration I have always had when I buy a new vehicle. A Toyota label isn't towing, carrying my expectations as the drivetrain, frame and long standard manufacturer's warranty that is in place is what I expect. I have had issues in less than 50,000 miles in my last new imports... maybe yours have lasted longer, but I did it all right and its just not the value you indicate. And they all cannot be isolated lemons that I bought as that excuse gets old.
You know what's funny is that Edmunds. com reviewed the new Tundra and already praised it for its reliability just because it was a Toyota.
Two weeks later and Toyota has to recall their big V8 Engine in the Tundra.
Then comes the JD Power quality study out and it shows Toyota is slipping.
FACT:
JD Power's highest ranked fullsize truck in initial quality = Silverado.
Highest ranked midize truck in initial quality = Ford Ranger.
Talk about LOL.
We just purchased a Toyota Tundra Crew Max. We test drove a Ford F150 and a Chevy 1500 also. No comparison. The Tundra has the largest back seat of the three. My 6' 5" son is in heaven. The ride was much better than the ride in the others. Quite, no wind noise, many extras included in this truck that you would pay extra for in the domestic trucks. Always bought Fords before, but the Tundra seems to be beating the domestics in quality and comfort. Time for Ford and GMC to step up! Good Price with 0% finance charge put the price at or below the others.
Why didn't you compare the Ford F-250? Or a new Silverado 3/4 ton... maybe you forgot theres more than 1/2 ton trucks. Whats the compromise with the Tundra bed size as well?
So why is Toyota going even bigger end of 2007 with an enormous long bed? The new pick up will be huge. Can't wait to see the mileage figures forthcoming. I thought this was about environment etc etc... seems more like targeting a highly successful market achieved by the domestics. Have you driven any 2007's by the way? I like 3/4 ton pickups... my new pickup pays for itself each month and then pulls a 20 ft boat on weekends. If I was a weekend warrior the small hatchback, rope, roof racks routine you see commonly at the home centers would not require any truck at all to own. Some of us will not settle for a non functional vehicle... my livelihood and entertainment on weekends revolves around mine.
I have seen several references in this review to a recall of the 2007 Tundra. to my knowledge there has not been a recall on this truck as of yet. They are dealing with the camshaft problem in the 5.7 liter engines, but there has not been a recall.
18:20.
Why are you making yourself look ridiculous with your statement?
Neither Dodge nor Chevy have been able to outsell the F-150 and let's not forget the Tundra has been around for a while now too and still couldn't unseat the champion.
There is a reason why the F-150 has been the best selling Truck actually also the best selling vehicle for many, many years now.
Are you actually calling the consumers who bought these Fords dumb?
Where did you read that, where do you live? Where I live I've only seen about 5 of the new 2007 tundra and plenty of f150 and silverado's. I'm unbiased because I don't even own a truck and don't plan on owning one.
Regarding the sales numbers for June 2007, the Toyota lover is correct in that the Tundra saw a 146% increase from June 2006 sales. The numbers are very misleading though. Here are the rest of the facts regarding the month of June sales numbers.
Ford F-150- 65,156 sold
Chevy Silverdao- 44,955 sold
Dodge Ram- 31,114 sold
Toyota Tundra- 21,727 sold.
So Toyota lover, the numbers still place your precious Tundra in last place as far as sales numbers go, right where it belongs. Ford F-150 outsold your Tundra 3 to 1. So you really have nothing to brag about at this point.
Whats even better is owning 2 new domestic pickups...2 Silverados.
Here's something to ponder. Toyota as a whole will more than likely out sell GM this year.. So tell me who's to blame?